Update on cyp/deca cycle

[Panzerfaust80]

What up everyone, just thought I'd post some info on latest stack here..

started 5"11 185 lbs, used to be around 195.. been lifting since about 16 yrs old.

Been slackin a bit at the gym, not going as heavy as I should have, which explains the decrease in weight. Diet has been decent, nothing extreme. (prior to begining following cycle)

here it is:

deca 400 mg / wk for 10 weeks
cyp 500 mg / wk for 10 weeks (only have 10 ML vial)
-I realize under optimal conditions it would be better to run the cyp 2 weeks beyond the deca, however I only have one 10 ML vial so Im just gonna have to hope PCT works well )

Jections split in half, so 200/250 mg ever 3 days.

PCT: nolva 20 mg/day two weeks after last shot.

diet: 5-6 times per day, low fat intake, at least 1g/per lb body weight protein.
vitamins, aminos, b's, multi, ***** 3 6 9, ALA, flaxseed, milk thisle, ZMA etc. etc.

sleep: at least 8 hrs.

1st shot on the 9th of this month, weight was at 185.

As of today, roughly 13 days later my weight this morning was 196. (Last night it was 200 before I went to bed I have no idea how I lost 4 lbs over night lol, if someone can explain this phenomenon please do, and yes I weighed myself w/ no clothes, so no variables)

Havent experienced much strength increase in gym, other than perhaps the placebo effect. (but that in itself is a psychological advantage regardless).
I am assuming real results should be kicking in in roughly 10-12 more days... well Ill keep everyone updated if anyone cares...

Any comments, suggestions, are certainly welcome.

[Johny-too-small]

You need a much better pct. Also, please list your diet w/ macros and total calories.

[jAcKeD!!!!]

neeed to run test longer. buy another 10ml bottle.

need some work on PCT

[VR4]

Seems like a half assed cycle. . . .but nice results so far. Get a better pct and eat a lot more.

[Panzerfaust80]

You need a much better pct. Also, please list your diet w/ macros and total calories.

Obviously I do not eat the same thing everyday, but for the most part it consits of:

8 am : Nlarge-2 shake, 1/2 cup oatmeal, banana, and yogurt mixed.

10 am : cottage cheese, yogurt, 2 cans tuna fish with miracle whip. (not too much thou)

lunch: lean hamburger, potato, veggetable (spinach, peas etc)

pre workout: bread w/ peanut butter on it.

post workout: myoplex shake (in paper carton) 42 g protien.

bedtime: <see 8 am, minus the oatmeal and banana and yogurt>

I am assuming calories are anywhere between 3500-4000. Hope this helps.. oh what does the term "macros" mean in the context ur referring to? sorry.!

[Panzerfaust80]

Seems like a half assed cycle. . . .but nice results so far. Get a better pct and eat a lot more.

Half- assed cycle? Because I can't run the test for 2 friggin weeks longer makes it half-assed? no way bro I dont think so.

[Johny-too-small]

Macros = total grams of protein, fat, carbs. Please list for each meal.

[Panzerfaust80]

Everyone keeps saying PCT needs work. when it comes down to it theres not TOO many PCT's to choose from... So if I add ONE more thing, (clomid, arimidex, whatever) will that "complete" my PCT or make it "acceptable"? When i see guys listing their cycles on here I dont see them listing PCT after PCT .. they might have 2 or 3 TOPS.

[Panzerfaust80]

Macros = total grams of protein, fat, carbs. Please list for each meal.

Oh crap, sorry bro never really broke it down like that.. I would have to go and read all the labels and gather info and get back to you in a few days. I was giving u a kind of "average" if you will of my daily food intake, which calories and protein and carbs could be "assumed" if one had sufficient knowledge in the food department. hehee

[Johny-too-small]

Everyone keeps saying PCT needs work. when it comes down to it theres not TOO many PCT's to choose from... So if I add ONE more thing, (clomid, arimidex, whatever) will that "complete" my PCT or make it "acceptable"? When i see guys listing their cycles on here I dont see them listing PCT after PCT .. they might have 2 or 3 TOPS.

Perhaps you should learn more about what a good pct is. Yours is not. Also, diet is the most important thing regarding lbm gain and fat cutting. If you dont know exactly how many grams of fat, carbs, protein you eat in a meal and the total number of calories you eat in a day, and when you eat these macros your are lost.

Your diet is really poor, bro. You need to re-work it all. Esp. pwo and ppwo meals.

[Panzerfaust80]

Perhaps you should learn more about what a good pct is. Yours is not. Also, diet is the most important thing regarding lbm gain and fat cutting. If you dont know exactly how many grams of fat, carbs, protein you eat in a meal and the total number of calories you eat in a day, and when you eat these macros your are lost.

Your diet is really poor, bro. You need to re-work it all. Esp. pwo and ppwo meals.

I respect your opinion and appreciate your help. However, I know what works for me and this has in the past. Everyone is built different, and everyones body responds differently to different stimuli.

Perhaps you can enlighten me with some diet tips, johnny?

[Panzerfaust80]

Personally, Im amazed you referred to my diet as "really poor"... I thought I had it mediocre at worst!!

[taiboxa]

the diet is bout a C imo.. too many shakes, macros do not appear to be equivalent in any way, plus u need to eater a longer lasting protein before bed

[Panzerfaust80]

I have a full time career to compete with so PLEASE gimme a break, I am doing the best that I can and personally I believe great results can be achieved without "equivocating" ones diet macros and balacing percentages of carbs to protein, fat, etc etc.. Ive always just tried to eat as much as possbile without keeping my "carb calculator" in my back pocket and have always had good/great results. (keeping it diet clean of course).

Taiboxa, please be specific when you say "before bed".. Do you intend to mean right before eating my last piece of chicken already have my head on my pillow, or how many minutes/hours can one eat chicken before going to bed and have it "last" effectively while sleeping?

[The Deuce]

I dunno.... I just dunno....

I am not a health nut , I am just a big bad Powerlifter... so I really don't wanna be all shred up and look all cute on the beach in a bathing suit so diet to me... matters a lot but i dont sit there and count my carbs and daily calories... I guess it all depends on what you are shooting for... ta heck with a 6 pack ?!?!?! What's that matter if I can DeadLift 750??? Squat 900??? and Bench 500?? Yah ... I dont care about looking good... but yah... just so everyone knows I do have a pretty on-point diet...

So I guess if Abs are what you are looking for ... fix that diet ... if not well then do what you want... like me !!!

[Johny-too-small]

I dunno.... I just dunno....

I am not a health nut , I am just a big bad Powerlifter... so I really don't wanna be all shred up and look all cute on the beach in a bathing suit so diet to me... matters a lot but i dont sit there and count my carbs and daily calories... I guess it all depends on what you are shooting for... ta heck with a 6 pack ?!?!?! What's that matter if I can DeadLift 750??? Squat 900??? and Bench 500?? Yah ... I dont care about looking good... but yah... just so everyone knows I do have a pretty on-point diet...

So I guess if Abs are what you are looking for ... fix that diet ... if not well then do what you want... like me !!!

Uh, no were not talking about abs, bro.

Were talking about using the right nutrients at the right time (ie: carbs pwo and ppwo and slow digesting protein b4 bed to keep the body nurished and to keep it form hitting a semi-fasted state). Food builds mass and if you eat the right things at the right time you can save yourself a lot of time and effort by being smarter.

Dont work harder, work smarter. Abs? lol....

[Panzerfaust80]

Uh, no were not talking about abs, bro.

Were talking about using the right nutrients at the right time (ie: carbs pwo and ppwo and slow digesting protein b4 bed to keep the body nurished and to keep it form hitting a semi-fasted state). Food builds mass and if you eat the right things at the right time you can save yourself a lot of time and effort by being smarter.

Dont work harder, work smarter. Abs? lol....

Okay, so real quick, in a nutshell, in same format I listed my diet, list what your optimal diet would be (or is) Johnny...

Remember, what I listed is just a small FRACTION of the total foods I consume throughout the week. by no means did I intend to give the impression that those are the foods that I eat day in and day out. Some days I might eat a little more, some days a little less. But it all comes out in the wash, right? ive always been very lean so its always been hard for me to put on weight so I dont mind a little extra fat in my diet.

[Johny-too-small]

Not going to give it up that easy, lol. I spent many hours working on my diet and I think to get a full comprehension on the logic around a good diet its important to do the work yourself. Its one thing to do it, another to understand why. However, I'll point you in the right direction:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

Also, I run my own business so I dont need to hear about your full time career

[The Deuce]

Uh, no were not talking about abs, bro.

Were talking about using the right nutrients at the right time (ie: carbs pwo and ppwo and slow digesting protein b4 bed to keep the body nurished and to keep it form hitting a semi-fasted state). Food builds mass and if you eat the right things at the right time you can save yourself a lot of time and effort by being smarter.

Dont work harder, work smarter. Abs? lol....

Well apparently I am doing something right to be as big as I am... ang I guess I should have read it more carefully.. i thought the guy was cutting for some reason and in reality he is bulking... forgive me...

[VR4]

Half- assed cycle? Because I can't run the test for 2 friggin weeks longer makes it half-assed? no way bro I dont think so.

light work out, short on test, half the protein you should be getting in, weak pct ...thats pretty half ass.

[Johny-too-small]

Well apparently I am doing something right to be as big as I am... ang I guess I should have read it more carefully.. i thought the guy was cutting for some reason and in reality he is bulking... forgive me...

You crack me up, bro. I think you talk about how big you are in 1/2 your posts

[DesiBoy]

Panzer, bro you gotta eat more. Specially carbs, need more carbs and more real food, at least 2 more meals with real food not those shakes. Shakes are easy to do but real food is real food. Good luck.

[Panzerfaust80]

light work out, short on test, half the protein you should be getting in, weak pct ...thats pretty half ass.

Bullshyt bro.. who said anything about a "light workout"? I bust my ass in the gym. Half protein? You know how many conflicting sources there are that claim how much g/per body weight one should be getting?!? Ive heard anywhere between 1 to 2 g per body weight. When I think 2g/per BW is acceptable, I read a contradictory statement that negates that.

Bottom line is its whatever works for you. I just wanted some friendly advice on how I could possbily make my routine better, not get blasted or engage in protien-quantity theorys... and two weeks short on test wont make JACK shyt difference, bud, given PCT is adequate. So i may miss out on 1 or 2 lbs, big deal. If I wanted to I could do a deca-only cycle and gain 15 lbs (which I have previously in the past) in 10 weeks, but im adding test to it so results will be even more dramatic.

[Panzerfaust80]

Panzer, bro you gotta eat more. Specially carbs, need more carbs and more real food, at least 2 more meals with real food not those shakes. Shakes are easy to do but real food is real food. Good luck.

Thanks Dez... good constructive criticism, unlike sOME people ... I hear what you are saying, however, shakes have always worked well for me therefore I will continue to use them although I will try to incorporate a couple more small meals in between shakes.

[alterego]

Try this.
www.fitday.com
Set up an account (it's free) and punch in your daily food intake.
Some things, like your pre-packaged shakes and whatnot, will not be listed. That's okay. You can create 'custom foods' and fill in the nutrient amounts yourself.

Each day you'll have a running tally of your protein/fat/carb intake and total kcals. You can follow your progress and adjust accordingly.

Just give it a try.
I'll bet you'll be surprised at what you find.

Either way, next time someone asks for your 'macros'....you'll know!


peace