1st cycle for a newbie..

[Newbielifter08]

Hello and thank you to everyone that will reply and offer advise and help with my post. I am 6' 248.4lbs, 35 years old and have never touched a cycle and have minmal lifting experience. Mainly just your occasional cardio and minor lifting.

I have read articles on several forums including this forum and have gotten a better understanding of AAS and PCT, but still am confused due to how many different opinons I see on a first cycle for a "beginner" Am I looking for the perfect solution or answer? Absolutely not, what I am looking for is some guidance and support from veterans that are and can truly offer some legit guidance.

I have, but of course have not taken:

200 10mg Dbol
200 10mg Winny
200ml Test prop

Now I only have this because of the super deal I got from a friend, I do not plan to take it until my body is ready and I feel I am ready. Some have told me to run the winny with the test prop and add clen to this. Others have told me that is the worst thing I could do, others have suggested the test, winny and adding Deca...

So you see why I am still clueless as not one reply was the same as anothers for a first cycle. My main focus is to shed some punds and become more defined more then anything. I think my size is good if I could cut the BF % down and then gain if need be, but again I am the newbie and appreciate all help offered.

[Big]

What is your body fat%?

[Rando911]

Winny? For a first cycle...

[Newbielifter08]

What is your body fat%?

I am not sure how to calculate that, again I am 6' and 248.4lbs. I appreciate any help on how to figure this out.

[dupa95]

No No No No NO No nO

[Newbielifter08]

Winny? For a first cycle...

I didn't think winny was good for a first cycle either, that is why I am here I do not want any mistakes..

[Newbielifter08]

No No No No NO No nO

Dupa, that was a lot of No's...

[Newbielifter08]

Hey Dupa your from Mass huh? So am I..

[Big]

I am not sure how to calculate that, again I am 6' and 248.4lbs. I appreciate any help on how to figure this out.

you can't calculate bf% with height and weight. You should find somewhere local to caliper you, or post some good pics and we will estimate it for you.

[Newbielifter08]

What is your body fat%?

Winny? For a first cycle...

you can't calculate bf% with height and weight. You should find somewhere local to caliper you, or post some good pics and we will estimate it for you.

Ok, I will try and get some PICS up, gotta find someone with a digi first.

[djcj2002]

While you're waintin on the camera, I would make sure your diet is in check and double up on the cardio. I'm pretty sure if you're questioning whether or not to start or not you're prob right not to start. Which is smart. Lots of people just want a shortcut and take things prematurely. Good call on coming here first.

[ChuckLee]

I am not sure how to calculate that, again I am 6' and 248.4lbs. I appreciate any help on how to figure this out.

Try this:
http://www.active.com/fitness/calculators/bodyfat.htm

[Newbielifter08]

While you're waintin on the camera, I would make sure your diet is in check and double up on the cardio. I'm pretty sure if you're questioning whether or not to start or not you're prob right not to start. Which is smart. Lots of people just want a shortcut and take things prematurely. Good call on coming here first.

Yeah I am not looking for a shortcut I am looking for long term and want to do it right from the start.

Try this:
http://www.active.com/fitness/calculators/bodyfat.htm

Thanks I will check it out.

[Newbielifter08]

Chucklee, thanks for that link man I really appreciate it.. I just did it and it tells me my BF% is 24 which seems really low. I was thinking more along 28-30%.

[nowdenlid]

24% body fat is too high for useing aas

[Newbielifter08]

24% body fat is too high for useing aas

So where should I be at and any suggestions for getting BF down with other supplements?

[nowdenlid]

So where should I be at and any suggestions for getting BF down with other supplements?

you dont really ned any supps m8 try a good clean diet and some very hard cardio for 6 months and you should hit your goals

[AirborneRanger]

just some advice im not gonna be the typical " get your ass in the gym and lift naturally before u use AAS newbie" kind of guy but take it from me do more research on it and keep lifting hard then use the AAS once your lifting good, have a good workout plan diet and u know what your getting into and what your doing i see lots of guys who use AAS with wrong dosages stacks and etc. but this is the best place to learn at

[hobbs9963]

Yea, as much as cardio and eating clean sucks, they are the best.

[largerthannormal]

peopls say under 20% i would suggest under 15% ..if you are at 24% body fat that means 1/4 of ur total weight is fat ..so about 62lbs of fat! diet and cardio! make sure u been working out for 2-3years prior before you even start thinkin of AAS.

[largerthannormal]

i would set ur goal to weigh 205..my 2cents!

[BIGMIKETORR]

^^^ agree hit the diet section pretty hard just keep that cardio up and youll be ready in no time

[Newbielifter08]

you dont really ned any supps m8 try a good clean diet and some very hard cardio for 6 months and you should hit your goals

I appreciate the help and insight..

just some advice im not gonna be the typical " get your ass in the gym and lift naturally before u use AAS newbie" kind of guy but take it from me do more research on it and keep lifting hard then use the AAS once your lifting good, have a good workout plan diet and u know what your getting into and what your doing i see lots of guys who use AAS with wrong dosages stacks and etc. but this is the best place to learn at

Thanks again I know it is a serious decision to use AAS and that is why I have sat on what I have so long as I do not want a bad turn out.. Thanks again for your help.

Yea, as much as cardio and eating clean sucks, they are the best.

Yeah I hate the clean eating, but if it what I ahve to do to reach my goal then so be it.

peopls say under 20% i would suggest under 15% ..if you are at 24% body fat that means 1/4 of ur total weight is fat ..so about 62lbs of fat! diet and cardio! make sure u been working out for 2-3years prior before you even start thinkin of AAS.

Wow, that is a low BF.. But I understand your views and appreciate them greatly..

i would set ur goal to weigh 205..my 2cents!

Really 205? I was thinking 225 at lowest I do not wanna look like a crack head.. LMAO

^^^ agree hit the diet section pretty hard just keep that cardio up and youll be ready in no time

Cool again thanks for all the positive help I greatly appreciate it.

[Newbielifter08]

peopls say under 20% i would suggest under 15% ..if you are at 24% body fat that means 1/4 of ur total weight is fat ..so about 62lbs of fat! diet and cardio! make sure u been working out for 2-3years prior before you even start thinkin of AAS.

Larger 2-3 years??? man that means the stuff I have will go bad by then, what a waste of money then.

[Newbielifter08]

Update to all that have helped me thus far.. I was weighed and calibrated and came in at 246.4 pounds and 20% BF. Now I know that is still high, but considering that roughly 3 months ago I was 276 at 35% BF. Now I know that it is suggested that AAS should be used at 15% BF or under is it safe to assume that I should lose more and just get rid of my winny, Dbol and Prop?

I stay on this forum trying to find the right cycle at my BF% to start at and I am finding so many different cycles I still am lost. My main focus is to lose more weight say down to roughly 225 or so not to much lower then that, but even if I was 230-235, but cut and defined I would be very happy. Can anyone offer some good advice and direction that is beneficial and helpful? Yes, I have read and read and read the forums and have researched for countless hours on PCT and so forth.

The problem is I still see so many different PCT suggestions and so many first cycle suggestions I am truly at a loss. Here are my stats again..

6'
246.4lbs
20%BF
Mostly cardio and I do construction work so I am always active. I try to do lifting, but have little knowledge of what I should be doing and what parts to train on what days. I have offered to pay serious lifters in my gym to setup a routine for me, but all they do is laugh and walk away so I just left it alone and stick to cardio...

Thanks everyone for the replies and help you will offer I again appreciate it.