Seeking advice, guide me to what needs to be done.

[FP]

Here's the deal, I've been on a workout and diet for an extended amount of time. I'm "happy" with how I look right now, but there's always room for more improvement and I'm actually never completely satisfied. I've tried some oral dbol in the past and had some ok results with it, at one point I tried some prop also. Basically I just listened to a friend and did what he was doing, not the smartest..I'm aware. I want to get into a more serious aspect of my lifting now and I would like to step up to some anabolics. I've been offered some Nandrolone Decanoate. However I've been given close to no other info...So I've looked around and researched more about it. I see that it has some pretty harsh side-effects on the sexual side which is of concern. I've also noted that Test should be taken with it (which I haven't been offered with it..) I guess I'd like some guidance as to what you would suggest for me? I'm prepared to be flamed, I just need to get some sort of base so I can build my knowledge. You have to start somewhere, so any help would be great. Would it be ok to use Deca, should I use test with it? I'll keep my questions at that for now, once I get info I'll ask some more. Thanks guys.

[Drummerboy]

age, lifting experience, cycle experience and stats please, then you can get a good answer

[FP]

age, lifting experience, cycle experience and stats please, then you can get a good answer

• 28
• Lifting since highschool (8 years), serious lifting for the past 2-3 years.
• 6' 188 lbs
• bodyfat unknown
• Nearly zero cycle experience

[RapaciousShark]

yeah u MUST run test with deca, and I'd throw in dbol too. imo I wouldnt try to build my first cycle around that.

[juicedapple463]

definetly throw a test in there to keep the boys going and your sex drive up. wait till you can track down some test and also have your pct ready as well.

[FP]

Thanks guys.

yeah u MUST run test with deca, and I'd throw in dbol too. imo I wouldnt try to build my first cycle around that.

What would you suggest?

[RapaciousShark]

Honestly bro, for the first round I'd do test only with a strong pct. You'll get good, uncomplicated cycle experience. At this point you're not losing anything by keeping it simple. Plus PCT with deca gets tricky imo. Just do test and see how you react to it.

500 will do wonders for you at that size. Kickstart it with dbol first 4 weeks if you wanna go balls to the walls.

[Drummerboy]

If your just starting, i would recommend test only. It is amazing on its own, and i think you will be very happy. Your body looks good right now, so i would stick to something under 500mg a week, long ester. If you did 200mg every 3 or 4 days of test enth, and have some ldex/nolva on hand in case you get a little gyno sensetive (unlikely at these doses... but be safe!) you will grow, and fast. 10-12 weeks is all you need. This will show you how you will react to aas. If you absolutely must do deca too, just throw in 150mg with the test in the same shot. I would stick to just test tho, cause you should ease into cycling. Trust me, you will see results (after about week 3). Your tendons should keep up with this rate since you have some background lifting. Hope you can eat/rest/train right too, im betting you know how. Thats the best advice i can think of. Expect to pack on at least 15-20lbs, and keep a good 10. Thats a LOT of muscle. Good luck!

• 24
• Lifting since highschool (8 years), serious lifting for the past 2-3 years.
• 5'7" 145 lbs
• bodyfat unknown
• Nearly zero cycle experience

[FP]

Honestly bro, for the first round I'd do test only with a strong pct. You'll get good, uncomplicated cycle experience. At this point you're not losing anything by keeping it simple. Plus PCT with deca gets tricky imo. Just do test and see how you react to it.

500 will do wonders for you at that size. Kickstart it with dbol first 4 weeks if you wanna go balls to the walls.

If your just starting, i would recommend test only. It is amazing on its own, and i think you will be very happy. Your body looks good right now, so i would stick to something under 500mg a week, long ester. If you did 200mg every 3 or 4 days of test enth, and have some ldex/nolva on hand in case you get a little gyno sensetive (unlikely at these doses... but be safe!) you will grow, and fast. 10-12 weeks is all you need. This will show you how you will react to aas. If you absolutely must do deca too, just throw in 150mg with the test in the same shot. I would stick to just test tho, cause you should ease into cycling. Trust me, you will see results (after about week 3). Your tendons should keep up with this rate since you have some background lifting. Hope you can eat/rest/train right too, im betting you know how. Thats the best advice i can think of. Expect to pack on at least 15-20lbs, and keep a good 10. Thats a LOT of muscle. Good luck!

Curious, I noticed you specifically noted test-e...is there an advantage of Enth over using cypionate?

[dupa95]

E is more avalible shoot less cyp not as avalible need to shoot more.

[jaydub]

yeah bro. you're gonna be an animal if you hit 500mg/wk test e. I remember my first time doing that...good god! Don't try to mix it all up and get a complicated cycle going yet. keep it simple and see how your body does first. then experiment a little.

[RapaciousShark]

you're gonna love your cycle, I'm excited for you

[*mark*]

Curious, I noticed you specifically noted test-e...is there an advantage of Enth over using cypionate?

enanthate is usually cheaper than cypionate mg/ml and their results and half lifes are very similar

[*mark*]

oh yeah, its a rule of thumb not to use deca on your first injectible cycle. timing pct is kinda complicated as mentioned before, and you dont know how your body will respond to the injectibles so you might not wanna go gung ho the first time around.

[Drummerboy]

test e or c will both work close to the same, however e is popular. Priced well too as mentioned above. Your pct can be simple... if your not gyno sensetive. just dont go taking a serm or ai on your cycle if you dont need it. If your nips get sore/red/itchy then you know your sensetive. Unlikely tho. save the pct for post cycle, start a couple weeks after your last shot, simple pct like nolva and an ai like arimidex for a month or so.

[FP]

This is all extremely helpful, thanks guys. As soon as I can locate some Test I'll be getting things rolling. Thanks again. I'll keep you guys updated and include pictures of my progress.

thanks again

[Sculpture]

Nothin wrong with including the deca (assuming you get some test) IMO. Just stop shooting the deca 2 weeks before you stop shooting the test.

[Drummerboy]

Nothin wrong with including the deca (assuming you get some test) IMO. Just stop shooting the deca 2 weeks before you stop shooting the test.

while i would agree that deca is good stuff, let him experience test only first. Its truly a wise choice for virgin receptors. It will work like magic. Later, when he has that first cycle under his belt, he may want to consider going further. Until then, just test. Best advice i could give.

~DB~

[Peducho0113]

I Would Say to run your fist cycle on test 500 per week and have a very strong PCT since this is your first cycle. Good luck bro you are looking good I cannot wait to see your results after your cycle.

[*mark*]

I Would Say to run your fist cycle on test 500 per week and have a very strong PCT since this is your first cycle. Good luck bro you are looking good I cannot wait to see your results after your cycle.

I agree, i would stay away from the deca your first time around. Better safe than sorry.

Its all fun and games til youre sporting a b cup

[Drummerboy]

I agree, i would stay away from the deca your first time around. Better safe than sorry.

Its all fun and games til youre sporting a b cup

lmao so true!!