N.Y. Gov. Spitzer reportedly linked to prostitution ring

[Tock]

Yep.

And after that, how about getting the government out of the business of monitoring what we citizens do in the bedroom? Sex workers need to be licensed and inspected periodically (so to speak) by medical people, to protect the general public. The only state with the good sense to do this is Nevada.

Marriage is a contract between TWO people, not TWO people and the government. Any breach of that contract ought to remain the exclusive province of the parties involved, and should have legal remedies available when either party doesn't follow through on their promises.


Had this tryst been between the Governor and another man, preachers would be quoting the bible verses against homosexuality with wild abandon. I wonder how long it will take before they start citing the Ten Commandment that says : "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery" along with the bible verse that calls for death for adulterers. Seems to me, if they're gonna use the Bible for their moral authority, they gotta use the whole thing, and not just the parts they like.

[kfrost06]

Yep.

And after that, how about getting the government out of the business of monitoring what we citizens do in the bedroom? Sex workers need to be licensed and inspected periodically (so to speak) by medical people, to protect the general public. The only state with the good sense to do this is Nevada.

Marriage is a contract between TWO people, not TWO people and the government. Any breach of that contract ought to remain the exclusive province of the parties involved, and should have legal remedies available when either party doesn't follow through on their promises.


Had this tryst been between the Governor and another man, preachers would be quoting the bible verses against homosexuality with wild abandon. I wonder how long it will take before they start citing the Ten Commandment that says : "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery" along with the bible verse that calls for death for adulterers. Seems to me, if they're gonna use the Bible for their moral authority, they gotta use the whole thing, and not just the parts they like.

I am not sure why you brought the Bible into this but we can agree he is a hypocrite and he cheated on his wife, kids and the citizens of NY. He betrayed his office and his oath and should resign and be charged. He's an idiot and the worst kind because he puts people in jail for a living(when he was attorney general) and goes out and commits the same crime. I am actually glad, I love when this happens to these two faced law and order/criminals. I look forward to seeing his mug shot but something tells me that will never happen. There are two standards of justice, one for us and a whole new one for the politicians/police/judges. I just feel sorry for his wife and kids.

[Jfew44]

I am not sure why you brought the Bible into this but we can agree he is a hypocrite and he cheated on his wife, kids and the citizens of NY. He betrayed his office and his oath and should resign and be charged. He's an idiot and the worst kind because he puts people in jail for a living(when he was attorney general) and goes out and commits the same crime. I am actually glad, I love when this happens to these two faced law and order/criminals. I look forward to seeing his mug shot but something tells me that will never happen. There are two standards of justice, one for us and a whole new one for the politicians/police/judges. I just feel sorry for his wife and kids.

For sure.

Some guys act like they know right from wrong to get into office, and they might at the time, but being in the position of power just gets to some people. Throw him in the slammer with all the people he put there!

[spywizard]

I am not sure why you brought the Bible into this but we can agree he is a hypocrite and he cheated on his wife, kids and the citizens of NY. He betrayed his office and his oath and should resign and be charged. He's an idiot and the worst kind because he puts people in jail for a living(when he was attorney general) and goes out and commits the same crime. I am actually glad, I love when this happens to these two faced law and order/criminals. I look forward to seeing his mug shot but something tells me that will never happen. There are two standards of justice, one for us and a whole new one for the politicians/police/judges. I just feel sorry for his wife and kids.

I guess he thought Bill Clinton got away with it.. why shouldn't he/?

[kfrost06]

I guess he thought Bill Clinton got away with it.. why shouldn't he/?

Spywizard, if your say he is like Bill Clinton, you need to tell me what the definition of is is.

[breacherup]

Yep.

And after that, how about getting the government out of the business of monitoring what we citizens do in the bedroom? Sex workers need to be licensed and inspected periodically (so to speak) by medical people, to protect the general public. The only state with the good sense to do this is Nevada.

Marriage is a contract between TWO people, not TWO people and the government. Any breach of that contract ought to remain the exclusive province of the parties involved, and should have legal remedies available when either party doesn't follow through on their promises.


Had this tryst been between the Governor and another man, preachers would be quoting the bible verses against homosexuality with wild abandon. I wonder how long it will take before they start citing the Ten Commandment that says : "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery" along with the bible verse that calls for death for adulterers. Seems to me, if they're gonna use the Bible for their moral authority, they gotta use the whole thing, and not just the parts they like.

Actually they (the Government) weren't monitoring what he did in his bedroom, his banking activities were reported to the IRS.
I too am confused by your references to the Bible and homosexuality, because I don't see how it relates to this case.
The man put himself in this position, he did something illegal, and gave his political enemies the rope to hang him with. Not to mention that as a prosecutor he put people on trial for the same crime.

[brewerpi]

Yep.

And after that, how about getting the government out of the business of monitoring what we citizens do in the bedroom? Sex workers need to be licensed and inspected periodically (so to speak) by medical people, to protect the general public. The only state with the good sense to do this is Nevada.

Marriage is a contract between TWO people, not TWO people and the government. Any breach of that contract ought to remain the exclusive province of the parties involved, and should have legal remedies available when either party doesn't follow through on their promises.


Had this tryst been between the Governor and another man, preachers would be quoting the bible verses against homosexuality with wild abandon. I wonder how long it will take before they start citing the Ten Commandment that says : "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery" along with the bible verse that calls for death for adulterers. Seems to me, if they're gonna use the Bible for their moral authority, they gotta use the whole thing, and not just the parts they like.

Forgive me for asking Tock but if this guy were a conservative Republican would you be talking about keeping the government out of his bedroom or would you be pointing out what a hypocrite he is?

[Tock]

Forgive me for asking Tock but if this guy were a conservative Republican would you be talking about keeping the government out of his bedroom or would you be pointing out what a hypocrite he is?

Since the early 1980's right-wing religious fundamentalist organizations like The Moral Majority and Christian Coalition beat up on what they considered "moral lepers" for political gain:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority

Moral Majority was initiated as a result of a struggle for control of an American conservative Christian advocacy group known as Christian Voice during 1978. During a news conference by Christian Voice's founder, Robert Grant, he claimed that the Religious Right was a "sham... controlled by three Catholics and a Jew." Paul Weyrich, Terry Dolan, Richard Viguerie and Howard Phillips left Christian Voice. During a 1979 meeting, they urged televangelist Jerry Falwell to found Moral Majority. This was also the beginning of the New Christian Right.[1][2]
Moral Majority was an organization made up of conservative Christian political action committees which campaigned on issues its personnel believed were important to maintaining its Christian conception of moral law, a conception they believed represented the opinions of the majority of Americans (hence the movement's name). With a membership of millions, the Moral Majority was one of the largest conservative lobby groups in the United States. During the 1980 presidential election, the Moral Majority is credited with giving Ronald Reagan two-thirds of the white evangelical vote, over Jimmy Carter.[3]
Some issues for which the Moral Majority campaigned included:[4]

• outlawing abortion
• opposition to state recognition and acceptance of homosexuality
• opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment and Strategic Arms Limitation Talks
• enforcement of a traditional vision of family life
• censorship of media outlets that promote an 'anti-family' agenda

The Moral Majority had adherents in the two major United States political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, though it exercised far more influence on the former.
Falwell was the organization's best known spokesperson throughout the 1980s. By 1982, Moral Majority surpassed Christian Voice in size and influence. The organization dissolved officially in 1989[4] but lives on in the Christian Coalition network initiated by Pat Robertson.[5]
In 1981, a series of exposés (later nominated for the Pulitzer Prize) by Memphis reporter Mike Clark led to some condemning the interactions between the Moral Majority and the Republican Party.
In early October of 2007, Cal Thomas openly admitted on Fox News' popular show Hannity and Colmes that the marketing department of the Moral Majority would commonly discuss ways to demonize homosexuals (among others) in order to manipulate the public into following the Moral Majority's agenda.
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Republicans took advantage of this BS, and cloaked themselves as the party of morality, while portraying Democrats as being the ones supporting "godless child-molesting homosexuals." So nowadays, when the ones who used to present themselves as having superior morality are exposed as hypocrites, I do so.

To the extent that Gov. Spitzer is guilty of moral hypocrisy, then yes, he deserves a good excoriation. As I don't live in New York, I'm not all that familiar with his record, so I'll try to comment only on what I know.

[thegodfather]

Since the early 1980's right-wing religious fundamentalist organizations like The Moral Majority and Christian Coalition beat up on what they considered "moral lepers" for political gain:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority

Moral Majority was initiated as a result of a struggle for control of an American conservative Christian advocacy group known as Christian Voice during 1978. During a news conference by Christian Voice's founder, Robert Grant, he claimed that the Religious Right was a "sham... controlled by three Catholics and a Jew." Paul Weyrich, Terry Dolan, Richard Viguerie and Howard Phillips left Christian Voice. During a 1979 meeting, they urged televangelist Jerry Falwell to found Moral Majority. This was also the beginning of the New Christian Right.[1][2]
Moral Majority was an organization made up of conservative Christian political action committees which campaigned on issues its personnel believed were important to maintaining its Christian conception of moral law, a conception they believed represented the opinions of the majority of Americans (hence the movement's name). With a membership of millions, the Moral Majority was one of the largest conservative lobby groups in the United States. During the 1980 presidential election, the Moral Majority is credited with giving Ronald Reagan two-thirds of the white evangelical vote, over Jimmy Carter.[3]
Some issues for which the Moral Majority campaigned included:[4]

• outlawing abortion
• opposition to state recognition and acceptance of homosexuality
• opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment and Strategic Arms Limitation Talks
• enforcement of a traditional vision of family life
• censorship of media outlets that promote an 'anti-family' agenda

The Moral Majority had adherents in the two major United States political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, though it exercised far more influence on the former.
Falwell was the organization's best known spokesperson throughout the 1980s. By 1982, Moral Majority surpassed Christian Voice in size and influence. The organization dissolved officially in 1989[4] but lives on in the Christian Coalition network initiated by Pat Robertson.[5]
In 1981, a series of exposés (later nominated for the Pulitzer Prize) by Memphis reporter Mike Clark led to some condemning the interactions between the Moral Majority and the Republican Party.
In early October of 2007, Cal Thomas openly admitted on Fox News' popular show Hannity and Colmes that the marketing department of the Moral Majority would commonly discuss ways to demonize homosexuals (among others) in order to manipulate the public into following the Moral Majority's agenda.
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Republicans took advantage of this BS, and cloaked themselves as the party of morality, while portraying Democrats as being the ones supporting "godless child-molesting homosexuals." So nowadays, when the ones who used to present themselves as having superior morality are exposed as hypocrites, I do so.

To the extent that Gov. Spitzer is guilty of moral hypocrisy, then yes, he deserves a good excoriation. As I don't live in New York, I'm not all that familiar with his record, so I'll try to comment only on what I know.

Morality is between individuals. Morality is NEVER EVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, to be legislated by the government. Of course, we have such legislation that goes under the guise of some bullshit reason they make up to justify the law.