Frontload/Kickstart?

[XD40]

I have planned a cycle for august 25th. The cycle consists of 600mg/wk of Test Cyp for 12 weeks....i was initially going to frontload this biotch but was talking to a friend that "kickstarted" a similar cycle with Dbol...my question is could i frontload and kickstart with dbol or am i asking for a whole slew of sides ???

[MR_T]

since this is going to be asked

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yes you can kick start it with dbol, you will retain a lot of water weight, if this is your first cycle I would keep it simple and stick with just the test.

[XD40]

Yes i know i can kickstart it with the Dbol...my question was..can i KICKSTART with the Dbol AND FRONTLOAD ???

[sam_sneed]

Read this

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=181575

[XD40]

Once again...i understand FRONTLOADING and KICKSTARTING....MY QUESTION IS CAN I DO BOTH?? SOME1 PLEASE?

[sam_sneed]

Obviously you did not not read the thread don't be such a jack*ss when people are helping you and no you do not understand frontloading or you would know you don't frontload d'bol just keep your dose continuous.

[XD40]

Okay sam...check this out....im going to pin 600mg of test for my 1st shot..then the second shot (of test) im going to pin 300mg...as for the dbol i would only be using it for 4weeks @ 25 mg just to see results slightly quicker...is there are problem with frontloading the test..AND taking the dbol (25mg/day) for 4weeks...i want to make sure that im not banging to much gear so that i wont get a whole slew of sides...i do not want to frontload the Dbol....

[Ernst]

Yes, you can, but why would you? The whole point of frontloading is to get those long ester test levels up quick so you don't have to wait for it to "kick in" around week 4. The point of kickstarting with dbol is to see quick results while you're waiting for the test to kick in (if you didn't frontload). I agree with T. I would just keep it simple. Frontload OR kickstart if you must. Just my opinion.

[XD40]

ErnstHatangst---thank you very much....i will just frontload the test and skip the Dbol...thank you as well sam...

[sam_sneed]

I agree with T if this is your 1st cycle then just frontload the Test double your weekly dosage in the first week. Then just proper PCT and you will see good gains. Good luck

[XD40]

Unless i read this post wrong you dont double the does 4 the 1st week, just the first shot correct??? im dont being a D*** i just want to make sure

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...rone+cypionate

[10nispro]

If you want to do a 600mg/wk of test and you want to frontload. Then you double the dosage for the first week(in this case it would be 1200mg). Take 600mg on M, then 600mg on Th) Then do 300mg on M, then 300mg on Th and continue that.

[sam_sneed]

apologies i read your original post wrong. the way you write makes it difficult for me to say as you just state 600mgs a week.
10 nispro , way to put it into words the way i couldnt. lol

[10nispro]

No problem.....sam "I was a da** great golfer" sneed.

[sam_sneed]

No problem.....sam "I was a da** great golfer" sneed.

Sorry, i don't understand what the hell you mean.

[Mbuffguy]

i would just do dbol (more than 25mg) and leave the test normal

[southmadejd]

Sorry, i don't understand what the hell you mean.

I think he is referring to sam snead....who used to be a great golfer back in the day.

I think you are referring to Sam Sneed....the rapper who sucks and always will suck.

[XD40]

Okay, so then MikeXXL is wrong in the fronatloading link i have pasted above>??? he says and i quote "For example if you were planning to take 250mg of Sust per week, you would take 500mg on day 1 of your cycle.".....and you are saying that i need to shoot 600mg 2x in one week where he says its only on the 1st pin...???

[sam_sneed]

He said that as the injection for that week as in 1 a week. 10nispro nailed it for you.

As far as i remember he had 1 of the best rap songs of the 90's but

[XD40]

shit im retarded...gota cha....hahha rap song huh ?

[Whoisdaman]

Frontloading and Kickstarting is basically the same thing!!

Eh, not necessarily. I'm sure everyone (including me) says both at some point and means the other. This is just what I think myself though:

Frontloading is using a short ester (prop) to "frontload" a cycle while combining with a long ester (enanth). Could also do this with tren acetate and tren enanth.

Kickstarting is using a short ester as a boost (DBOL, PROP, blah) at the beginning of a cycle.

You can use the same thing to frontload and kickstart. Ugh I give, I think I made sense somewhere in there.

[one8nine]

Yes, you can, but why would you? The whole point of frontloading is to get those long ester test levels up quick so you don't have to wait for it to "kick in" around week 4. The point of kickstarting with dbol is to see quick results while you're waiting for the test to kick in (if you didn't frontload). I agree with T. I would just keep it simple. Frontload OR kickstart if you must. Just my opinion.

this is a great response
plus one shot in the beginning of 600mg is hardly a frontload

[one8nine]

Frontloading is using a short ester (prop) to "frontload" a cycle while combining with a long ester (enanth). Could also do this with tren acetate and tren enanth.

this is actually kickstarting

front loading is using a high dose of a long ester to begin the cycle
for example

week1-1000mg test e
week2-750mg test e
weeks3-10-500mg test e

[Whoisdaman]

this is actually kickstarting

front loading is using a high dose of a long ester to begin the cycle
for example

week1-1000mg test e
week2-750mg test e
weeks3-10-500mg test e

ah, very true. Caught me there.

[one8nine]

ah, very true. Caught me there.

yeah bro no disrespect meant by correcting you just trying to get the correct info out there

[XD40]

Ok, every1 is giving their opnion (and i thank you ALL) so let me get this strait....
if i am running 600mg/wk of test CYP in order to properly frontload i would execute the following >
wk1 Mon-600mg Thur-600mg
wk2-12 Mon 300mg Thur-300mg so on and so forth ?

sorry to be a pain in the ass guys im just a little confused with all of the diff. opnions and instructions....appreciate the info guys !

[mario_ps2]

Ok, every1 is giving their opnion (and i thank you ALL) so let me get this strait....
if i am running 600mg/wk of test CYP in order to properly frontload i would execute the following >
wk1 Mon-600mg Thur-600mg
wk2-12 Mon 300mg Thur-300mg so on and so forth ?

sorry to be a pain in the ass guys im just a little confused with all of the diff. opnions and instructions....appreciate the info guys !

yes exactly like this.. I believe you have now understood frontloading.

Trust me, you will be very happy with the results if you frontload your compounds. You'll start to feel it on the 2nd week or sometimes even earlier as in my experience.

good luck...

[XD40]

mario thanks bro i appreciate it....will be posting b4 and after pics in the next month