Test Enanthate vs Deca

[KeyserSoze1]

I am going to be doing Test Enanthate & Deca. What is the advantage of adding the Deca to the Test. I understand that you dont want to do Deca without a Test..but what kind of results would I get if I eliminated the Deca? How much of a diff will the Deca make?


Thanks!!

[sitries]

if its your 1st cycle bro then theres no need at all to add in the deca. test enanthate on its own will giove you huge gains and the deca would not increase these gains. your body can only gain so much in a certain period of time! save the deca for a latyer cycle. like your 2nd or 3rd. si

[johnnybigguns]

^^^^^^^^^^^ I agree. I do like deca for joint relief though

[astrix79]

i have done deca one time only,and i canceled the cycle after 6 week,,,i just cut deca out,it killed my sex drive so badly,,,

but many friends of mine just love deca at 600-1000mg/ew
they report amazing weight gains...

and the anser is deca will add more mass and strength gains....
deca and test r the most popular roids at least most common....
600mg/ew deca with 600mg/ew testo e will be awesome for you
you gonna grow like the hulk lol
still you havent told us your goal?

good luck m8

[KeyserSoze1]

My goal is to put on about 15 pounds ONLY. I dont want it to look obvious that I am cranked. My diet is good and I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I am currently 5 '11" 190lbs. This is not my first cycle. Years ago I did Primo and Winni. Last year I did Anavar.

So maybe I should NOT do the Deca this time around then. If that is the case, how much Test (Enth) should I be doing? I had plan on doing 250mg of Test Enanthate twice a week (inject) & 200mg of Deca twice a week (inject).

thanks all!

[seriousmass]

My goal is to put on about 15 pounds ONLY. I dont want it to look obvious that I am cranked. My diet is good and I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I am currently 5 '11" 190lbs. This is not my first cycle. Years ago I did Primo and Winni. Last year I did Anavar.

So maybe I should NOT do the Deca this time around then. If that is the case, how much Test (Enth) should I be doing? I had plan on doing 250mg of Test Enanthate twice a week (inject) & 200mg of Deca twice a week (inject).

thanks all!

Save the Deca for a different cycle. You have little experience with steroids. I'd just stick with the Test - E @ 500mg per week as you proposed. You will gain 15 pounds off testostrone alone. You definitely won't need the deca (it may well make you pack on 25+ pounds). Anyways, deca is a very harsh compound. I wouldn't introduce it to my body yet if I was you..

[Phate]

My goal is to put on about 15 pounds ONLY. I dont want it to look obvious that I am cranked. My diet is good and I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I am currently 5 '11" 190lbs. This is not my first cycle. Years ago I did Primo and Winni. Last year I did Anavar.

how old are you?
i would like to see your diet in detail

So maybe I should NOT do the Deca this time around then. If that is the case, how much Test (Enth) should I be doing? I had plan on doing 250mg of Test Enanthate twice a week (inject) & 200mg of Deca twice a week (inject).

thanks all!

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[MMArmour]

u can inject deca once a week.

[Braveheart04]

DECA will definately blow you up! If your diet isn't in check, you can put on some serious weight, a lot of it won't be good either.

[DS21]

u can inject deca once a week.

You can also inject prop e3d, but to keep levels stable it is best to inject deca twice a week.

To the OP, I would stick to a test only cycle like stated above. You've never used test before, so see how you respond to it before adding more to it. With proper diet, training and rest you will gain 15lbs over the 10-12 weeks you run it. I would also like to see your diet in detail. Everyone says I have a good diet, but you can always impove it to help achieve your goal, so post it up for us. Thanks.

[Phate]

am i the only one that's noticed that noone got this guys stats first?

[sitries]

My goal is to put on about 15 pounds ONLY. I dont want it to look obvious that I am cranked. My diet is good and I work out hard 4-5 days a week. I am currently 5 '11" 190lbs. This is not my first cycle. Years ago I did Primo and Winni. Last year I did Anavar.

So maybe I should NOT do the Deca this time around then. If that is the case, how much Test (Enth) should I be doing? I had plan on doing 250mg of Test Enanthate twice a week (inject) & 200mg of Deca twice a week (inject).

thanks all!

theres his stats

[KeyserSoze1]

Thanks guys. I think I will just do a Test Enth solo run then and save the Deca. Like I said, I only want to put on 15 pounds. I am 5'11" 190 pounds. I am 36 yrs old. I will take the 500/week suggestion. Should I split it into 250/week twice? Also, should I "load it? I will be doing this for 10 weeks and I am looking for a gradual increase in size. I really dont want to look like I am all juiced up (because of my job) My wife is a Dietician (nutritionist with a degree) . She is creating a strict low sodium diet for me as we speak. I have all of my PCT in order already also. I will do the PCT as I was going to when I planned on doing Deca as well. Adex during and Nolva PCT. Anymore suggestions will be much appreciated.

[seriousmass]

Thanks guys. I think I will just do a Test Enth solo run then and save the Deca. Like I said, I only want to put on 15 pounds. I am 5'11" 190 pounds. I am 36 yrs old. I will take the 500/week suggestion. Should I split it into 250/week twice? Also, should I "load it? I will be doing this for 10 weeks and I am looking for a gradual increase in size. I really dont want to look like I am all juiced up (because of my job) My wife is a Dietician (nutritionist with a degree) . She is creating a strict low sodium diet for me as we speak. I have all of my PCT in order already also. I will do the PCT as I was going to when I planned on doing Deca as well. Adex during and Nolva PCT. Anymore suggestions will be much appreciated.

Inject the Test twice a week @ 250mg per injection.

You will begin to see strength / weight gains in week 3 - 5. This is because it's a lost ester test, and the ester will not be stripped for 10.5 days. It's also nice because the gains are gradual so you don't look like you're juicing... (when compared to people who kickstart cycles / use deca, because they blow up immediately)

Run clomid and nolvadex in your PCT.

Check out this thread... it's REALLY good. haha. It'll give you some ideas for the cycle:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=370515

[seriousmass]

"Also, should I "load it?"

I don't have a clue what this means. please elaborate..

[KeyserSoze1]

Thanks for the advice "Seriousmass" I have heard people like to "front load" the Test. First week they take 1000 then 2-10 they go to 500-600. Is what I meant by "load"

[DS21]

It's called front loading, and I would. I would also keep using the a-dex for pct with the nolva, or even better use aromasin with nolva for pct.

[KeyserSoze1]

Whats the advantage of doing/not doing "front loading"?

[KeyserSoze1]

Ok...so I have definately decided to hold off on the Deca for now and just do 250 Test E twice a week for 10 weeks. With no Frontload. (My goal is to gain 15-20 pounds and not look too too obvious.) Then 2 weeks later start my PCT. What do you recommend for dosages? I currently have Gaspari XT and Adex. I am awaiting some Clomid and Nolva (from a sponsor above but I live in Canada, I am not sure if I will even get it) Assuming I dont get the Clomid and Nolva....how do you recommend I take the Gaspari XT (during?) and Adex (post) ? And what do you recommned if I DO get the Clomid and Nolva? I am 36, 5'11" 190 lbs. Been training for 15years.


Thanks

[Immortal Soldier]

Ok...so I have definately decided to hold off on the Deca for now and just do 250 Test E twice a week for 10 weeks. With no Frontload. (My goal is to gain 15-20 pounds and not look too too obvious.) Then 2 weeks later start my PCT. What do you recommend for dosages? I currently have Gaspari XT and Adex. I am awaiting some Clomid and Nolva (from a sponsor above but I live in Canada, I am not sure if I will even get it) Assuming I dont get the Clomid and Nolva....how do you recommend I take the Gaspari XT (during?) and Adex (post) ? And what do you recommned if I DO get the Clomid and Nolva? I am 36, 5'11" 190 lbs. Been training for 15years.


Thanks

If you cannot get Clomid or Nolva DON'T RUN THE CYCLE. Gaspari XT will do nothing to restart your body's natural system much less block excess estrogen effectively.

Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Clomid:100/50/50/50

[Mammon]

yeah bro hold off until you have everything for the entire cycle, that includes pct before you start.. never know what will happen..

[KeyserSoze1]

Ok. Thanks. But what about Adex? I have a friend that is a pro-bodybuilder and he said Adex is good. I trust your guys oppinion more though. So what about the Adex for PCT?

[Mammon]

you could run it through pct but it wont replace clomid or nolvadex.. just an addition
id run it through the cycle

[Immortal Soldier]

Ok. Thanks. But what about Adex? I have a friend that is a pro-bodybuilder and he said Adex is good. I trust your guys oppinion more though. So what about the Adex for PCT?

Adex = AI

You need clomid/nolva to

1) Restart your natural test production

2) Bring estrogen down and prevent gyno

Adex only inhibits estrogen from forming, it doesn't bring your natural test production up. Adex can be used in conjunction with clomid and nolva but cannot substitute them.

So what does that mean? You lose most (if not all) your gains, plain and simple without clomid/nolva.

Get Nolva and Clomid, or don't run your cycle unless you like throwing money down the drain.

[KeyserSoze1]

Ok thanks. I appreciate it

[KeyserSoze1]

By the way..is the Clomid and Nolva from the sponsor above any good? Its called "Clomiphene citrate" and "Tamoxifen Citrate" look like they are generic products in a liquid form. Am I correct? Has anybody used them? If they are good...then I will stock up on it.

Thanks again!

[Mammon]

id look for an alternative research chem site.. but thats me..
the liquis is just as good IF dosed corrrectly..

[KeyserSoze1]

Any suggestions on a good website in Canada?

[Mammon]

in canada no.. ship there.. believe so..

[KeyserSoze1]

Sorry...huh? lol......

[Mammon]

i dont know any research chem site in canada but there are some who do ship there

[KeyserSoze1]

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[irish-guns]

hey im just reading over the posts. i started dbol 3 weeks ago

1st week 30ml dbol

2nd week 40ml dbol

3rd week 40ml dbol + 250ml test enanthate +deca 100ml on monday and same friday

4th week 40ml dbol + 250ml test enanthate +deca 100ml monday

its now wednesday. should i leave the deca and do teso alone??

i having done a full cycle with both befor.

i done test pro and winni last year and dbol alone year befor that.

i also tried sust and deca about year and a half back but stoped after 4 weeks due to work and i would of missing the gym for 3 weeks.

im 23 years old
around 12 st
about 17% body fat
being training good 4 years

i allreally feel a bit bloated i think its the dbol
whats yous think lads