beginner with questions

[mx035racer]

ive been a hard body builder for about 4 years now and have been thinking about steroids. Im 20 5'9 178 lbs. and was thinking about doing 2 cycles of the
Dianabol followed by 1 cycle of Winstrol. I was wondering how long to stay on the cycles and how much time off before i start the next cycle. And i was thinking about taking the Clomid to get my natural test levels back to normal. When should i take the clomid and is there anything i should improve on or any suggestions anyone might want to add would be good

[Matt]

Is this a lab name? If so you must edit it now....

[T-MOS]

yes and if it is a lab name, could you edit it out of your post and

mad matt will edit it out of his too......lolol

[T-MOS]

You need to think a little more on what you want to take.

dianabol is NOT a cycle, it is an oral only, and NOT a good idea

neither is a winstrol only cycle a good idea,

you would do well to Read the threads at the top of this forum and learn a little more before using steroids

[Matt]

^^ you are correct, done...

[mx035racer]

yeah i know they are oral steroids? dont you still have to cycle oral steroids?

[mx035racer]

i want to gain strength and mass with the dianabol then take the winstrol to stay lean

[Noles12]

are you doing this for spring break?

[Aaron-the-pitbull]

Haven't you considered injecting? Oral cycles suck, you lose gains to fast abit of a "micky mouse" steroid. Dbol is good stuff but maybe add abit of test to it?

Read a few more posts first mate before asking questions, you'll learn alot from them, learn your pct abit better first too.

What's your diet like?

[hankdiesel]

yeah i know they are oral steroids? dont you still have to cycle oral steroids?

You have a lot more research to do and natural growing to do before you think about doing a cycle. imo

[mx035racer]

what injections would u consider? test is good but i wanna keep away from bitch tits effect. my body is lean now and i want to make sure im lean for summer time.

[mx035racer]

i would rather take oral steroids but i heard u lose more strength and mass when ur done with the oral steroids than what u would with injections

[T-MOS]

you can inject test safely without bitch tits. if that concerns you than you need to use an AI during the cycle along with proper PCT after

NO NOT waste your time or your body on an oral only cycle. you only have ONE liver

[mx035racer]

any cycles in mind that wil be good maybe test (sust350 or sust250) or n e thing else with the clomid or nolvadex just in case of gyno and use the clomid for a pct?

[mx035racer]

maybe also use d-bol for a kickstart?

[perry75K]

you could start with Test E 500mg per week for 8 weeks and run d-bol weeks 1-4. and if your lean now gyno is not probable

[mx035racer]

yeah i wanted to stick with the test e first for a base when should i run clomid or the nolvadex? i was thinking about running the clomid about 12-14 days after my last injection of test e

[mx035racer]

dbol injection? or the oral?

[T-MOS]

you could start with Test E 500mg per week for 8 weeks and run d-bol weeks 1-4. and if your lean now gyno is not probable

Sorry, but this is not so good advice

Test E take up to 6 weeks to kick in, so an 8 week cycle of it would be a waste

stay away from Sust if you can

go with single ester test

dbol for 4 weeks if you feel the need

yeah i wanted to stick with the test e first for a base when should i run clomid or the nolvadex? i was thinking about running the clomid about 12-14 days after my last injection of test e

if you would take some time to research and not just JUMP into all this, you would know that PCT starts 14 days after last test E incject

[mx035racer]

im not jumping im learning im not gonna start a cycle for awhile yet if i even do start a cycle. and yeah the test e is my choice i was wondering how long and if i should take anything during it like the nolvadex?

[T-MOS]

im not jumping im learning im not gonna start a cycle for awhile yet if i even do start a cycle. and yeah the test e is my choice i was wondering how long and if i should take anything during it like the nolvadex?

typical beginner cycle is 12 weeks long

500mgs/week with Test E that needs to be in two shots a week, one every 3.5 days

if you are really worried about gyno, you can do two things, you can reduce the test to 250/week and see how you do on that ,

you can also use or have an AI on hand like arimidex to use during your cycle to combat estrogen

PCT is a must and you need to understand it and have it before you ever start the cycle

[mx035racer]

ive been doing more research and figured out the 12 weeks of test e but some ppl are saying to run the nolvadex with it for the 12 weeks and im not really worried about gyno at all so thats y i thought to just run the test e for 12 weeks and keep the nolvadex out. and yes i understand the pct i was thinking to run this as my pct protocol?
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva

[mx035racer]

ganabal 200? anyone got anything to say about that? or stick with the test e

[mx035racer]

or deca 200