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My workout partner and I have been working out on and off since the late eighties and we have decided to do our 1st and probably only show. We've both hit mid 30's and figure now or never. We have some moderate experience using aas over the past past 20yrs, but obviously have never used them for a show. I am looking for feedback on what and when to take during the next 10 mths leading up to the contest date?
Thx.
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height?
weight?
body fat%?
any cycle history?
any pct knowledge?
9/11/2001~343 Never Forget!~E-HOF~RETIRED
You might post this in the competitive bodybuilding forum instead of here. First shows are always the funnest and most memorable. I would be even more concerned about diet/cardio/posing than anything else.
9/11/2001~343 Never Forget!~E-HOF~RETIRED
A picture of each of you will really help with what advice is given too.
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I'm 6", 225 lbs, 17%bf.
Typical winter cycle (bulking and strength) 15 weeks
25mg dbol ED - Weeks 1-2
400mg EQ per week - Weeks 1-5
250mg Cyp per week - Weeks 1-5
600mg EQ per week - Weeks 6-10
500mg Cyp per week - Weeks 6-10
400mg EQ per week - Weeks 11-15
250mg Cyp per week - Weeks 11-15
20mg ED Nolva - Week 8- 18
1000 iu HCG E3rdD - Week 11-18
Training and diet is tight.
4 day split - 2 on 1 off
4000 cal ED ( i do my best with cals but dont always hit 4000)
1.5 g of protein per lb ED
3 -4 liters of water ED
Typical supplements consumption
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I'm trying to figure out how to up load a pic...i am a newbie hereOriginally Posted by FireGuy1
9/11/2001~343 Never Forget!~E-HOF~RETIRED
If it were me I would focus on getting around the 12-14% bf range at 16 weeks out and then plan things from there. If your assessment of your condition is accurate you should plan on hitting the stage around 180-185lbs.
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Just to clarify, I'm 225 now and historically post bulking I'm about 245lbs... you think I should drop down to 180lbs for show?
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If you are 225 @ 17% that equates to about 180-185 on stage.
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ok...so suppose i'm 245lbs at 17% bf what does that equate to on stage? What is the BF % you're using for calculating the stage weight?
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Competitors compete between 3% and 6% bf generally.
If you're 225 lbs @ 17%... your lbm = 186.75 lbs.
If you were able to diet without losing any LBM at all, you'd be able to step onstage between 192 lbs (@3% BF) to 198 lbs (@ 6% BF).
However, most competitors lose LBM during preps along with fat... So factoring in 5 or so pounds of LBM, you're looking at 187-193 lbs stage way... that is, if everything goes well.
Should you bulk up to 245 lbs without adding additional bodyfat (however unlikely at that current level of bodyfat), you could plausibly step onstage about lbs heavier than the above figures.
Re: the original question... I really don't like that cycle.
Pyramiding up and down?
Including EQ?
2 weeks of dbol?
Nolva from week 8?
All in all it looks pretty pointless to me.
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As a general rule of thumb I have found LBM @ around 15% equals stage weight. As a first time competitor you will tend to lose even more weight than usual as your body has more than likely never been in the 5% range and you have to diet harder/longer to get there.
There is also quite a bit of water weight lost, especially the last few days. My last show I was 202lbs on Thursday night and weighed in at 191.8 Saturday morning. I agree with Nark as well, IF you were able to go to 245 with no gain in bodyfat you could step onstage heavier but I would highly recommend you NOT do that. If you add 20lbs you are undoubtedly going to add more bodyfat and have to diet even harder to get into stage shape. It sounds like you already have a decent amount of size, trust me, you will be much better served focusing on the conditioning aspect of this as opposed to trying to come in heavier.
The best thing you can do is hire/find an experienced competitor to walk you through the next 10 months. Diet, cardio and posing are the 3 biggest things on both of your plates at this time. I would also suggest whomever you hire, you listen to him/her only. There is nothing more frustrating than prepping a competitor for a show and having them get distracted by the advice of others.
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AR-Hall of Famer ~Diet Guru~
AR-Hall of Famer ~Diet Guru~
Personally I'd cut natty for 3 months now... and then lean bulk (w/ cycle) until 3 months out... then cut again.
Getting one's bodyfat to a manageable level first puts you in a better position to make improvements.
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