Heres the cycle I plan on running, any advice is appreciated

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-15-2010, 06:38 PM

Wanted to say whats up to everyone on this site.

I've read alot of your threads and most all of you seem to be pretty cool and this place doesn't seem to be a cluster **** of idiots.

Anyways heres my stats since I know its a must
Age 29
Height 6'
Weight 207
BF 17%
cycle experience (PH, Havoc) Worked great on me except gave me dry knees they just didnt feel lubed up enough when doing presses LOL
Experience off and on for 10 years but been solid for 3 years now
Drugs back in my early 20s made me quit and always go back. .

I really havent seen much on anything saying if steroids was safe to take if you are a past user of heavy drugs.

I've had blood work done on just about anything you can have blood work done and everything has come back normal. (test, cholesterol, sugar levels, white/red blood counts) the works

So this is the cycle Im thinking about running
Test E 1-10wks 500mg a week split into 2 shots of 250mg
Novla 12-14wks 40/40/20/20 Should I stack with Clomid and if I do how should I make the dosing look?
Ill have arimidex on hand in case of gyno. I know I can use nolvadex but from the reading I've done on here it looks like arimidex would be the better choice for an on cycle estrogen blocker.

I also have a post cycle mix that I plan on using and cycle support for liver support

I have yet to put together what I think would be a solid diet. I have read a few of the diets on here but still undecided. I can eat just about anything except for eggs.
If anyone could provide a link to some diet ideas I would appreciate it.

Lastly, I'm just looking for advice, or changes that any of you think I should do to help make this cycle better and safer.

BTW, Im 207 now and do not plan starting til I hit 195 would should put me around 13% BF

**bjpennnn** · 02-15-2010, 06:49 PM

cycle is well planned out. for someone who is new on this board you definitely have already proved yourself smarter then most in my eyes. The only thing is pct should be
Day 1-18: Clomid @ 100 mgs
Day 1-18: Nolva @ 40 mgs
Day 18-36: Clomid @ 50 mgs
Day 18-36: Nolva @ 20 mgs
dunno if thats what you were planning.

This is probably the best link on this site period and it has to do with diet.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ev+secret+pros
check it out tons of info.

The only thing i would change about your cycle is maybe start to drop a few lbs of fat b4 you start. try to hit 15% imo. You can do that while priming for your cycle which is highly recommended. here ya go. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hlight=priming

**Phate** · 02-15-2010, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by LiftedDuramax2007

Wanted to say whats up to everyone on this site.

I've read alot of your threads and most all of you seem to be pretty cool and this place doesn't seem to be a cluster **** of idiots.

Anyways heres my stats since I know its a must
Age 29
Height 6'
Weight 207
BF 17%
cycle experience (PH, Havoc) Worked great on me except gave me dry knees they just didnt feel lubed up enough when doing presses LOL
Experience off and on for 10 years but been solid for 3 years now
Drugs back in my early 20s made me quit and always go back. I do have a history of using just about everything except for H.
if you could edit out the name as i have done that would be great, we don't condone rec drug references
I really havent seen much on anything saying if steroids was safe to take if you are a past user of heavy drugs.
safe is a relative term, but they won't cause physical dependence like most rec drugs will, though they can cause psychological dependence but i know alot of people that used to/still use rec drugs and have used AAS and the discipline that comes with bodybuilding to ween off the drugs or to get them under control
I've had blood work done on just about anything you can have blood work done and everything has come back normal. (test, cholesterol, sugar levels, white/red blood counts) the works
great, i like that you come prepared
So this is the cycle Im thinking about running
Test E 1-10wks 500mg a week split into 2 shots of 250mg
Novla 12-14wks 40/40/20/20 Should I stack with Clomid and if I do how should I make the dosing look?

Read through this, it will provide answers to alot of your questions
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

Ill have arimidex on hand in case of gyno. I know I can use nolvadex but from the reading I've done on here it looks like arimidex would be the better choice for an on cycle estrogen blocker.

I also have a post cycle mix that I plan on using and cycle support for liver support

I have yet to put together what I think would be a solid diet. I have read a few of the diets on here but still undecided. I can eat just about anything except for eggs.
If anyone could provide a link to some diet ideas I would appreciate it.
post your diet and we'll critique it for ya bro, no problem there
Lastly, I'm just looking for advice, or changes that any of you think I should do to help make this cycle better and safer.

BTW, Im 207 now and do not plan starting til I hit 195 would should put me around 13% BF

answers in bold^^^^

you seem well prepared, another couple months on here while you lean down and you'll be ready to start a cycle with full confidence that you know what you are doing(and if you have a question we are always here)

**bigjoe30** · 02-15-2010, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

cycle is well planned out. for someone who is new on this board you definitely have already proved yourself smarter then most in my eyes. The only thing is pct should be
Day 1-18: Clomid @ 100 mgs
Day 1-18: Nolva @ 40 mgs
Day 18-36: Clomid @ 50 mgs
Day 18-36: Nolva @ 20 mgs
dunno if thats what you were planning.

This is probably the best link on this site period and it has to do with diet.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ev+secret+pros
check it out tons of info.

The only thing i would change about your cycle is maybe start to drop a few lbs of fat b4 you start. try to hit 15% imo. You can do that while priming for your cycle which is highly recommended. here ya go. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hlight=priming

BJ what about HCG?

**bjpennnn** · 02-15-2010, 06:57 PM

if he had some i would mention it, not everyone runs hcg during cycle. For a first cycle i think he is looking ok.

**Phate** · 02-15-2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

if he had some i would mention it, not everyone runs hcg during cycle. For a first cycle i think he is looking ok.

agreed, hcg is normally used more often when suppressive compounds like deca, tren, etc... are used, unless he has an affinity for testicular atrophy he shouldn't have a problem with this cycle

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-15-2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

answers in bold^^^^

you seem well prepared, another couple months on here while you lean down and you'll be ready to start a cycle with full confidence that you know what you are doing(and if you have a question we are always here)

Thanks, I edited out the name of the drug. Thats what you wanted right?

Well thankfully I didnt start Test last year like I was going to. I didnt know jack about any gear and PCT. I may be new on this forum but I feel I've done alot of research. Hell I read just about every link on the left hand side on the main page of this site 3 times

Ill come back in a bit and answer the questions in bold and reply to other responses. Plus post up my current diet. The thing is I already know it COULD be better but like with most things I need that extra incentive to not break a great diet. And being on gear tells me I have to do stay straight.
Hell if I could quit all the crap I did in my early 20s cold turkey I have no doubt I can stay straight on any diet I set up for myself.

Ill post up the break down later, but it mainly consists of chicken, steak, roast beef, asparagus, tuna, brocolli, peanut butter, nuts, yogurt. Then I have my 1 day a week of pigging out on something from applebees or chilis but thats only 1 meal.

I've lost a clean 20lbs in 2 1/2 months and Im still making gains in the gym by a good amount so I gotta be doing something right

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-15-2010, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

agreed, hcg is normally used more often when suppressive compounds like deca, tren, etc... are used, unless he has an affinity for testicular atrophy he shouldn't have a problem with this cycle

How can I find out if I do have an affinity for testicular atrophy?

Thats the one thing I havent done too much reading on yet is HCG, but Ill get to it. Hell now that its mentioned Ill read it after I get done with dinner in a bit.

You guys think I should run dinabol for the jump start? I dont think I need a jump start but hell a boost is nice before the test kicks in

**bjpennnn** · 02-15-2010, 07:05 PM

I think you should get that diet first and foremost going. Most important part.

**Phate** · 02-15-2010, 07:05 PM

i wouldn't worry about the testicular atrophy personally, not with this cycle

the dbol is optional, but orals are commonly used as a kickstart with longer esters(cypionate, enanthate, decanoate, etc..) because they take 5-6 weeks before the blood concentrations reach a high enough level where you start to see really good gains

**TITANIUM** · 02-15-2010, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

answers in bold^^^^

you seem well prepared, another couple months on here while you lean down and you'll be ready to start a cycle with full confidence that you know what you are doing(and if you have a question we are always here)

Agreed.^^^^

To the OP:

Your attitude is very good towards advice and reading the site.

Best

T

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-15-2010, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by TITANIUM

Agreed.^^^^

To the OP:

Your attitude is very good towards advice and reading the site.

Best

T

Thanks bud, I love reading and feeling confident in something I'm going to do. So any links you guys want to post up for some good reading/learing is welcomed.

I have no problem in waiting til I am at the right BF % to start this run as I want to see some clean results.
My goal is to hit 225lbs at 12-14% But since Ill be starting at 195lbs Ill take 15+ lbs on a 1st cycle.
With all the good reading I dont see any reason why I can't come out of this huge.

I will of course post a cycle log.

Heres some of my current lift numbers, keep in mind I have a small back pain right about an inch above my ass so I cant do any moderate/heavy deadlift or squats. I have adjusted my routine to not use this area and give it as much rest as possible and then go real light after 3 weeks.

BB Bench 295x1, 255x4
DB Rows 105x10
Deads 335 before I couldnt go any higher due to that pain
Lying leg press 540x5, 650x1 (no squats til injury heals)
DB Curls 55x10
BB skullcrushers 100x10
Seated Military Press 205x4, 185x10
Calf press 680x25

**Phate** · 02-15-2010, 07:43 PM

**bjpennnn** · 02-15-2010, 07:45 PM

damn copy and paste all those rite now make it easy.

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-15-2010, 07:46 PM

Jesus, I guess I asked for it lol

I can say at the start of that list I have read quite a few of those already.

But its safe to say I haven't hit 10% of those

Thanks!!!

Alot of guys on this site just dont realize how much more they can get out of this stuff if they just do some reading

**Phate** · 02-15-2010, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

damn copy and paste all those rite now make it easy.

lol, that database took me soooo long to create, but it's worth it for people that are willing to learn

**Phate** · 02-15-2010, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by LiftedDuramax2007

Jesus, I guess I asked for it lol

I can say at the start of that list I have read quite a few of those already.

But its safe to say I haven't hit 10% of those

Thanks!!!

Alot of guys on this site just dont realize how much more they can get out of this stuff if they just do some reading

you obviously don't have to read all of them, it's just a database i made of some of the best threads i've seen

but just have a look through it and read the ones you are interested in

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-15-2010, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

you obviously don't have to read all of them, it's just a database i made of some of the best threads i've seen

but just have a look through it and read the ones you are interested in

Yea I figured that with the womens links in there

So instead of thinking too hard Ill just state what I eat in this thread over the next 7 days. Any criticisim is totally welcome, but if you do tell me to ditch something I'm eating please name some replacements.
1030am, When I woke up, normally get up at 7. non flavored oatmeal, 1 scoop of protein 24g, half pound of mixed fruit.
1pm 50g of Waximaize and 52g of team skip protein which is a 33/33/33 blend if no body knows. 5g of fish oil
At 4pm I had 10oz of lean steak cooked by me. 5 long asparagus sticks, no butter
630pm 1 can of tuna with 1tsp of mayo, very very little mayo.

Im alittle low on the calories today because I woke up so late for some reason but damn it was a good sleep.

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-15-2010, 08:04 PM

Oh and keep in mind I know that my diet I am on now will not be the diet while on cycle.

Im on a very low carb diet. Roughly a 40f/40p/20c split
2500cals a day on training days
2200cals non training days
2800cals bing day. f/p/c split is all over the place lol

Its been working out great, Ive got energy in the gym and even with my 1 day a week cheats Ive still lost mostly fat.

I will post a pic when I hit 205 which should be in the next few days.

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-17-2010, 01:43 PM

Im either blind or just havent seen any threads or info yet on this.

Would it be ok to use PH like Havoc wks 1-4 to kick start rather than using dbol?

Havoc works wonders on me and figured it "could" be a good addition while Im waiting on the Test to kick in

And Phate did you happen to get my email I sent you?

**Phate** · 02-17-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by LiftedDuramax2007

Im either blind or just havent seen any threads or info yet on this.

Would it be ok to use PH like Havoc wks 1-4 to kick start rather than using dbol?

Havoc works wonders on me and figured it "could" be a good addition while Im waiting on the Test to kick in

And Phate did you happen to get my email I sent you?

sorry, i need to change that email, it's incorrect, get 25 posts and pm me your question

**slimy** · 02-17-2010, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by LiftedDuramax2007

Im either blind or just havent seen any threads or info yet on this.

Would it be ok to use PH like Havoc wks 1-4 to kick start rather than using dbol?

Havoc works wonders on me and figured it "could" be a good addition while Im waiting on the Test to kick in

And Phate did you happen to get my email I sent you?

I, too , want to say it's refreshing to see a newbie with a good attitude on here. We don't see that much, and you are definately going to get the help you need.

To answer your question, yes a lot of guys use PH's as a kickstart. New laws passed in January, so most PH's are not legally available. See what is available to you.

Good luck in your learning. Keep the good attitude and you will get all the answers you need.

**LiftedDuramax2007** · 02-18-2010, 11:53 AM

Thanks guys

Ill admit a year ago I came on to some gear forums and asked a bunch of questions and was told the same thing most noobs are told. "You arent ready"

You were all right, and I can totally see where noobs are coming from. You want to do it NOW not later but after doing all the reading I've done I can see why its so important to do your research before starting any type of cycle.

Its not worth ****ing your body up for the long term if you arent educated enough on this stuff.

Any noobs reading this I highly recommend listening to the advice given to you on this site. They arent telling you not to do it because they dont want you to get big

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