Need Help

[scrubclub]

Me and my friend are trying a new cycle after being on a few beginner cycles and want to know if it sounds like it will work. Also I don't know much about the PCT so let me know if there is anything you would change or add there.

For the actual cycle we are going 8 weeks on Tren, Anavar, and Dianabol (we are going for strength) followed by a 10 day break and then 6 weeks on clomid with 4 weeks on nolvadex and arimidex. Also should we be taking the arimidex during the cycle. If the post cycle therapy is effective what side effects should we still be expecting?

[Hard.On]

you've done a FEW begginer cycles and dont know much about pct

What were your previous cycles with pcts?

and current stats would be nice to.


Im only asking because tren is starting to get a little more serious then just test so we want to make sure you get the best info.

[AstheticKing]

Me and my friend are trying a new cycle after being on a few beginner cycles and want to know if it sounds like it will work. Also I don't know much about the PCT so let me know if there is anything you would change or add there.

For the actual cycle we are going 8 weeks on Tren, Anavar, and Dianabol (we are going for strength) followed by a 10 day break and then 6 weeks on clomid with 4 weeks on nolvadex and arimidex. Also should we be taking the arimidex during the cycle. If the post cycle therapy is effective what side effects should we still be expecting?

man please stop, are you running two orals?? really you need to stop and do a pct and next time do a test base and dont be a teenager plz

[AstheticKing]

you can do serious damage to your body with that cycle and end up with alot of side effects and no "real" gains that will stick, a test only cycle would do alot better for you i would bet my paycheck on it, dont be scared of test, its waaaay safer that your surrent cycle....how old are you and your friends and how much do you wiegh and how long have you been workin out and for what goals???? do you eat more than 100(at least)200ish grams of protien a day BEFORE protein supps??

[AstheticKing]

test prop = less bloat, cuts, loads of strenght and with aromasin, a otc AI or tamoxifen you can get great results side effect free and for pct use hcg 150 ius twice a week for two weeks and nolva only not clomid since your a newb,real good non ugl clomid can give you gyno when your all done with your cycle and pct believe it or not and should only be used by experienced guys.

[Hard.On]

woaaa aethetic king
we dont want to scare him before we get his stats
esp. because that cycle he laid out could use alot of work

[Reed]

There you go: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

Doesn't sound like you know much about what you are doing.

Its important to know what drugs you got and know the proper injection protocol.

[Hard.On]

test prop = less bloat, cuts, loads of strenght and with aromasin, a otc AI or tamoxifen you can get great results side effect free and for pct use hcg 150 ius twice a week for two weeks and nolva only not clomid since your a newb,real good non ugl clomid can give you gyno when your all done with your cycle and pct believe it or not and should only be used by experienced guys.

and this is not good info

[Reed]

test prop = less bloat, cuts, loads of strenght and with aromasin, a otc AI or tamoxifen you can get great results side effect free and for pct use hcg 150 ius twice a week for two weeks and nolva only not clomid since your a newb,real good non ugl clomid can give you gyno when your all done with your cycle and pct believe it or not and should only be used by experienced guys.

what is this?



To the OP

We can help if you give us your

Age
Height
Weight
BF% estimate
years training
and possibly diet

[AstheticKing]

btw dianabol slowly aromatizes and doesnt readily cause increases in estro that can do anything, anavar and tren cannot convert to estro so taking a ancillary estro blocker or ai is pointless with that stack and makes it very obvious you know litttle about aas, go natural and be patient

with crreatine, beta alanine, carnosine, plenty of protien and bcaas and caffiene you can get 50% stronger i swear to god, and also drop fat and get 20-50 pounds heavier in a year since your young probly and new to bb/powerlifting((by new i mean even 2 years is new)) your natural AAS is high if your under 20 if your not go natural for a year before AAS take a trib terrest supp or otc AI to get your feet wet

[AstheticKing]

woaaa aethetic king
we dont want to scare him before we get his stats
esp. because that cycle he laid out could use alot of work

lol my bad, just concerned....hope he checks himelf befo he wreks himself!!

[scrubclub]

Wow thats a lot of responses quick. To answer questions about what I have done I have done two testosterone cypionate only cycles with the same pct that I laid out above. Stats are below-
Age-20
Height- 5'11"
BF%- about 18
Years training- 3 hard 5 total
diet- I don't really know what you want here but I get at least 120 g protein/day before supplements and around 200 after, I try to stay very low carb.
bench- 285
squat- 465

also forgot weight is 215

[scrubclub]

Also I am going be going on some kind of cycle that includes 2-3 steroids because I have made that decision already. I understand if you are a skeptic but it would be much more helpful to tell me what I can do.

[Hard.On]

Wow thats a lot of responses quick. To answer questions about what I have done I have done two testosterone cypionate only cycles with the same pct that I laid out above. Stats are below-
Age-20
Height- 5'11"
BF%- about 18
Years training- 3 hard 5 total
diet- I don't really know what you want here but I get at least 120 g protein/day before supplements and around 200 after, I try to stay very low carb.
bench- 285
squat- 465

ohhh man.
I would listen to what ever advice REED the pitbull is about to give to you because I know that it will be right,

whats your weight?>

[Reed]

yes interested in your weight

Don't make your decision so quickly without getting some type of sense talked into you while we educate you.

At 20 you are far to young to be cycling

[scrubclub]

weight is 215

[AstheticKing]

yes interested in your weight

Don't make your decision so quickly without getting some type of sense talked into you while we educate you.

At 20 you are far to young to be cycling

well he is already done 2 cycles, he has made his decision so i guess he just needs the info, if you dont i will... so since your the vet shoot cuz he needs the info wether we agree or not

[scrubclub]

I'm open to a completely different cycle but I do want something beyond just testosterone this time.

[Kibble]

Some form of testosterone should be used with every cycle imo.

[Reed]

Well your bodyfat is pretty high to be cycling as well.

What are your overall goals with training? Personal, competitive?


The link I gave you has much reading you can start doing if you'd like to learn how to cycle in a good manner and how much of the educated steroid world cycles. Read profiles, but don't forget about your diet and training

[AstheticKing]

hey scrub whatever you decide to do plz include a test base, for your own good lol

and also be sure on the other things you need to take for you liver/blood pressure/blood sugar etcetera if you need to ask then do more reasearch on ancillaries, an ai with a dht and dbol cycle is not necessary imho

[Reed]

Stick to adding in one compound in with the test base (dbol would be a good choice), definitely don't roll with this tren,var, dbol idea.

[scrubclub]

Im definitely glad i posted before just starting this. So if I have a test base and want to throw one other thing in with it what would you recommend. I do MMA just for fun so i'd say thats my main motivation/goal.

[Hard.On]

Wow,
I see that he has already done 2 cycles
weight is ok BF is high imo

It is totally against my ethics to give him advice on a cycle.
I think he should research HRT, not having kids in the future. etc.

It may not be too late to possibly help him make a life altering decision that he may look back in 10 years and say "man, im glad i stopped cycling"

at 215 18%BF there is soo much that he can do with is body with out drugs.

unless he is lee priest and going to compete.

If your not going to make a financial living off your body
Then your making a mistake imo

[Phate]

btw dianabol slowly aromatizes and doesnt readily cause increases in estro that can do anything, it doesn't aromatize slowly, aromatization is caused by an enzyme, which is a biological catalyst, meaning it speeds things up, and yes the estrogen produced from it will cause water retention leading to high blood pressure, increased risk of gyno, etc...

anavar and tren cannot convert to estro so taking a ancillary estro blocker or ai is pointless with that stack and makes it very obvious you know litttle about aas, go natural and be patientwhen you say estrogen blocker are you referring to an A.I. or Serm, btw, both will be needed at one point or another during this cycle(which btw, the cycle shouldn't be run in the first place)

with crreatine, beta alanine, carnosine, plenty of protien and bcaas and caffiene you can get 50% stronger i swear to god, really? 50% huh?and also drop fat and get 20-50 pounds heavier in a year since your young probly and new to bb/powerlifting((by new i mean even 2 years is new)) your natural AAS is high if your under 20 if your not go natural for a year before AAS take a trib terrest suppwhich won't do anyting or otc AIwhich would be pointless to get your feet wet

you should be careful what you post, this info could be harmful

[Reed]

At a higher bodyfat percent go with the var w/ test IMO thats if you decide to cycle, cause I'd rather you do it right if you don't take my advice.

However at your age and bodyfat I'd hold off on the cycle, lean down to 10% bf, work up to 200 at that level of bodyfat.

Use what you got and make the most out of your natural abilities before becoming reliant on drugs. Dedication and hard work can take you a long way

Thats my advice, I'm not going to scold you or anything, you're a grown man and should be able to take full responsibility of your own decisions

[AstheticKing]

Wow,
I see that he has already done 2 cycles
weight is ok BF is high imo

It is totally against my ethics to give him advice on a cycle.
I think he should research HRT, not having kids in the future. etc.

It may not be too late to possibly help him make a life altering decision that he may look back in 10 years and say "man, im glad i stopped cycling"

at 215 18%BF there is soo much that he can do with is body with out drugs.

unless he is lee priest and going to compete.

If your not going to make a financial living off your body
Then your making a mistake imo

very tru,,,however if you must proceed then be safe and use nolva hcg for pct, milk thistle for liver saw palmetto for your prostaid and a good thing to get is "cycle assist" but honestly tren will phuck you up and dbol or tbol is safest imho........just be sure you research and WANT to learn all you can its part of cycling

[AstheticKing]

you should be careful what you post, this info could be harmful

ok will do, i just jumped on it , i must say the info i posted in supported but in lieu of context your right


simply put " i retract" but i also stand by the info i posted as tru and supported by facts

[Reed]

ok will do, i just jumped on it , i must say the info i posted in supported but in lieu of context your right


simply put " i retract" but i also stand by the info i posted as tru and supported by facts

no just more or less info passed around on the boards as truth, you got the right idea but you haven't got a full of grasp. It takes time

[Hard.On]

Im not scolding you either
All im saying is you know all the pros of AAS
Learn some Cons

Your fighting now, probly kicking everyones ass no doubt.
But you have an anabolic edge. At age 20 this is HUGE
As soon as you lose this edge, because those who are well trained will catch up to you in 2 or 3 years.
you will be hungry for more AAS.
Just like a baby looking for its momma's tit to suck some milk.
and guess what, your hooked

and aesthetic king
no offence man'
but not everything you posted is true
some of those facts are wrong as phate pointed out


Im closing my eyes to this thread now
good luck scrubclub

[Phate]

ok will do, i just jumped on it , i must say the info i posted in supported but in lieu of context your right


simply put " i retract" but i also stand by the info i posted as tru and supported by facts

i'm always willing to learn, if you have facts/studies etc... then please post them, i have no problem admitting if i am wrong

[AstheticKing]

actually trib terrest does is active with the androgen receptors in the BRAIN and will put a person in the mental state of AAS( for some) while not causing physical gains AND a otc AI like novedex xt does cause and increase in DHT and i really do like the product for myself not for pct obviously but as a standalone it is worth the money to stay legal and get a boost in free test levels....want my blood test levels??

anyway though,
granted you are right, i was a little liberal in the application of info and i concede to you and admit that your farther along than me, but to patronize info as false or untrue is incorrect but hey you are right mostly imo and i like he advice you give so i concede and sorry, but i still must say i be remiss if i didnt say a AI would be unssecary for his original cycle, honestly can you explain why he would need one DURING??

and yeah 50% if he was the young unexperienced guy i thought he was

and why does d-bol speed things up d-bol only has modest aromatase activity and really does not increase estrogen to gyno/glucose danger or non-normal levels

[scrubclub]

Thanks for the help. I think i'm going to go with a test base and then either anavar or d-bol. I'll spend a few weeks researching though so that I can get it right.

[Phate]

actually trib terrest does is active with the androgen receptors in the BRAIN and will put a person in the mental state of AAS( for some) while not causing physical gains AND a otc AI like novedex xt does cause and increase in DHT and i really do like the product for myself not for pct obviously but as a standalone it is worth the money to stay legal and get a boost in free test levels....want my blood test levels??
interesting, the last study i read on tribulus showed no physical gains(as you've stated) but only total test levels were slightly elevated, not free test, if you have a study on it's effects on the androgen receptors i'd love to read it

sorry, i didn't see the otc part, i thought you were wanting him to take arimidex or aromasin off cycle for a prolonged period

granted you are right, i was a little liberal in the application of info and i concede to you but to patronize info as false or untrue is immature but hey you are right and i like he advice you give so i concede and sorry but i still must say i be remiss if i didnt say a AI would be unssecary for his original cycle, honestly can you explain why he would need one DURING??
i meant he would need an AI during cycle to combat water retention, but i was making the assumption that we would be able to prove to him that either a) he didn't need to cycle(problem solved) b) he would run a basic test cycle like the one in the link reed posted earlier, in which case he would need an A.I. on cycle to combat water retention from the test and dbol(which is notorious for causing water retention) and a SERM for pct
and yeah 50% if he was the young unexperienced guy i thought he was

and why does d-bol speed things up d-bol only has modest aromatase activity and really does not increase estrogen to gyno/glucose danger or non-normal levels

i didn't mean that dbol sped things up, i am saying that aromatase(the enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen) is a biological catalyst, which means that it will speed up conversion of testosterone to estrogen, especially when fluctuations in blood serum levels occur(which they normally do when using orals due to there rapid absorption and metabolization

[AstheticKing]

ok man do the reasearch, best thing you can do and stay healthy eat healthy protect your organs we can all agree on those principals......i must say though if you had waited the amount off AAS you are using for your gains couldve been done with the test levels you had and may still have after your i hope good pct's....but if you must use the gear then use a test base and my sugg is test prop but thats only cuz thats my fav and not any bad bloat.....as a vet for dose, anavar is expensive maybe t-bol is more for you and the strength gain is bigger imo with tbol and good tbol is even dryer than super dry good quality anavar

[AstheticKing]

i didn't mean that dbol sped things up, i am saying that aromatase(the enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen) is a biological catalyst, which means that it will speed up conversion of testosterone to estrogen, especially when fluctuations in blood serum levels occur(which they normally do when using orals due to there rapid absorption and metabolization

oh okay...yeh pretty much tru even though i dont use ai with dbol and really never heard of anyone using it for d-bol itself but your info is tru now that i am thinkin about it and readin stuff on it, you have now caught my attention and curiosity on how AAS's that are thought to be estro-free or semi free can cause high estro levels by secondary mechanisms or metabolites,,,,anyway...i keep letro on hand for emergencies and nolva always for my pct i can accsess before my pct but never had to use it prematurely on my dbol primo cycles i did a long long time ago....

[AstheticKing]

but then again i like the water retention cuz i can shed it in 2 weeks if i want to and i lift heavy and my joints are made of weak little glass lol jk but yeh

i concur!! lol my bad but thanks for the info and i will fing the study and pm you for sure

[Phate]

but then again i like the water retention cuz i can shed it in 2 weeks if i want to and i lift heavy and my joints are made of weak little glass lol jk but yeh

i concur!! lol my bad but thanks for the info and i will fing the study and pm you for sure

sweet, i love learning new stuff, and i apologize if i came off harsh, didn't mean too

[AstheticKing]

sweet, i love learning new stuff, and i apologize if i came off harsh, didn't mean too

me too bro