Tai's Possibly Super Awesome DNP SlingSho...

[taiboxa]

t Approach that Will Most LikelyCause More Harm than Good but Still Wanna Do it AnyWay Dosing Program.


ok anyways .. with a catchy title like that.. its gotta work right?


anyways.. like many of you state, and i have noticed.. DNP rebounds have always been a positive step for me in the growth direction.. so what i was thinking is
3 weeks of caloric excess intake to add lbm.. then 1 week of DNP dieting/depletion..

so on every fourth week for say a 15week phase.. you could take DNP for 6 days (total of 18 days of dnp use)
i am looking at trying say ..
on week 4 800mg frontload then 600mg ed for 5days
on week 8 1g frontload then 750-800mg ED for 5 days
on week 12 1g frontload then ~800mg ED for 5 days..

something along those lines..

has anyone used this approach before? if so did you go blind?.. did you die? how was the dying.. hopefully it wasnt too painful..

[smiler]

t Approach that Will Most LikelyCause More Harm than Good but Still Wanna Do it AnyWay Dosing Program.


ok anyways .. with a catchy title like that.. its gotta work right?


anyways.. like many of you state, and i have noticed.. DNP rebounds have always been a positive step for me in the growth direction.. so what i was thinking is
3 weeks of caloric excess intake to add lbm.. then 1 week of DNP dieting/depletion..

so on every fourth week for say a 15week phase.. you could take DNP for 6 days (total of 18 days of dnp use)
i am looking at trying say ..
on week 4 800mg frontload then 600mg ed for 5days
on week 8 1g frontload then 750-800mg ED for 5 days
on week 12 1g frontload then ~800mg ED for 5 days..

something along those lines..

has anyone used this approach before? if so did you go blind?.. did you die? how was the dying.. hopefully it wasnt too painful..

the "dead" are having a hard time replying looks like... they told me it wasn't painful though if that helps

[Vitruvian-Man]

t Approach that Will Most LikelyCause More Harm than Good but Still Wanna Do it AnyWay Dosing Program.


ok anyways .. with a catchy title like that.. its gotta work right?


anyways.. like many of you state, and i have noticed.. DNP rebounds have always been a positive step for me in the growth direction.. so what i was thinking is
3 weeks of caloric excess intake to add lbm.. then 1 week of DNP dieting/depletion..

so on every fourth week for say a 15week phase.. you could take DNP for 6 days (total of 18 days of dnp use)
i am looking at trying say ..
on week 4 800mg frontload then 600mg ed for 5days
on week 8 1g frontload then 750-800mg ED for 5 days
on week 12 1g frontload then ~800mg ED for 5 days..

something along those lines..

Remind me... what's DNP's half-life bro?!

The plan looks fine to me. 800mg/ed is going to suck.. but you've taken a lot more then that before.

I'm just not sure if it's going to be a particularly successful technique. I understand you want to grow on the rebound... but honestly I'm not sure this is going to allow you to gain more LBM then just priming + DNP at the beginning of cycle..

What type of cycle are you going to run w/ this...?

-VM

[Phate]

t Approach that Will Most LikelyCause More Harm than Good but Still Wanna Do it AnyWay Dosing Program.


ok anyways .. with a catchy title like that.. its gotta work right?


anyways.. like many of you state, and i have noticed.. DNP rebounds have always been a positive step for me in the growth direction.. so what i was thinking is
3 weeks of caloric excess intake to add lbm.. then 1 week of DNP dieting/depletion..

so on every fourth week for say a 15week phase.. you could take DNP for 6 days (total of 18 days of dnp use)
i am looking at trying say ..
on week 4 800mg frontload then 600mg ed for 5days
on week 8 1g frontload then 750-800mg ED for 5 days
on week 12 1g frontload then ~800mg ED for 5 days..

something along those lines..

has anyone used this approach before? if so did you go blind?.. did you die? how was the dying.. hopefully it wasnt too painful..

haven't run it like that, but i've run higher doses(as you know) and i had no visual problems though i was a little warm lol

[taiboxa]

Remind me... what's DNP's half-life bro?!

The plan looks fine to me. 800mg/ed is going to suck.. but you've taken a lot more then that before.LOL thats true.. it was kinda by a fluke too.. i ran a cycle thinking the caps were 200mg ea. but it turns out they were way over dosed... they were around 250~275mg ea. i was going to end my cycle of dnp by taking 1.4g but i was DYING.. later i talked to a buddy of mine who used the same DNP capped by a former member here back in the day and he said they were probably closer in the 275mg range... .doesnt sound like a whole lot but when you take 7 of those lil fckrs that ~62.5mg increase really freakin adds up

I'm just not sure if it's going to be a particularly successful technique. I understand you want to grow on the rebound... but honestly I'm not sure this is going to allow you to gain more LBM then just priming + DNP at the beginning of cycle..

What type of cycle are you going to run w/ this...?

-VM

i may not run a cycle.. i have met my AAS quota for about the next 5-6 years, on top of the 2 years of being clean i got on me right now.. being on for about 4-5 years straight and trying to become a strong man.. was just too much on this lil'ol body of mine... I would like to see if i can hold out till im mid 30's then. i just think it would be neat to find a use for dnp in the area of "Growth" rather than just always being utilized as a hard core shreddin tool

[Vitruvian-Man]

i may not run a cycle.. i have met my AAS quota for about the next 5-6 years, on top of the 2 years of being clean i got on me right now.. being on for about 4-5 years straight and trying to become a strong man.. was just too much on this lil'ol body of mine... I would like to see if i can hold out till im mid 30's then. i just think it would be neat to find a use for dnp in the area of "Growth" rather than just always being utilized as a hard core shreddin tool

Yeah bro, I've got what you're saying.

F*cking over-dosed homebrews, haha.. sounds like something Jiggaman would do. LOLL

I do believe using DNP to prime before cycle is a useful tool...

However, I'm not sure DNP will never be seen as a precursor to a "growth" cycle. It has to great an impact on your metabolism imo...

Moreover, if your aren't taking any AAS simultaneously with the DNP you are going to loose even more weight..

Tai, do you know any of the chemistry/biology of how DNP is metabolized? Or the pathways it effects?

-VM

[Phate]

Yeah bro, I've got what you're saying.

F*cking over-dosed homebrews, haha.. sounds like something Jiggaman would do. LOLL

I do believe using DNP to prime before cycle is a useful tool...

However, I'm not sure DNP will never be seen as a precursor to a "growth" cycle. It has to great an impact on your metabolism imo...

Moreover, if your aren't taking any AAS simultaneously with the DNP you are going to loose even more weight..

Tai, do you know any of the chemistry/biology of how DNP is metabolized? Or the pathways it effects?

-VM

i think DNP would be a great tool for a Cyclic Ketogenic Diet to get your glycogen stores down from supramaximal levels after carb loading(~140mmol/kg) to exhaustion levels(~40mmol/kg) instead of taking three to four days to get them down you could do it in 1-2


and VM, i know the biochem and pathways if you want to discuss them and it's okay with Tai

[Vitruvian-Man]

i think DNP would be a great tool for a Cyclic Ketogenic Diet to get your glycogen stores down from supramaximal levels after carb loading(~140mmol/kg) to exhaustion levels(~40mmol/kg) instead of taking three to four days to get them down you could do it in 1-2

and VM, i know the biochem and pathways if you want to discuss them and it's okay with Tai

Very cool point about the keto + DNP. I would just be too concerned with muscle loss...

Regarding that offer, yes bro! totally.. let's discuss..

Ok, so let me outline what I know... DNP acts as a protonophore.. right?

I know they like to use the compound in biochemistry to illustrate the membrane transport processes. (2nd year bio coming back to me ) lol.

Do you know about the half-life of DNP phate? (I can't seem to find answer)

Also, do you mind just reviewing exactly how the drug interacts with your thyroid/metabolism

-VM

[AlphaMaleDawg]

i may not run a cycle.. i have met my AAS quota for about the next 5-6 years, on top of the 2 years of being clean i got on me right now.. being on for about 4-5 years straight and trying to become a strong man.. was just too much on this lil'ol body of mine... I would like to see if i can hold out till im mid 30's then. i just think it would be neat to find a use for dnp in the area of "Growth" rather than just always being utilized as a hard core shreddin tool

just curious have you managed to keep all your gains from your cycling days in the past two years that you have been clean?

[Phate]

Very cool point about the keto + DNP. I would just be too concerned with muscle loss...

Regarding that offer, yes bro! totally.. let's discuss..

Ok, so let me outline what I know... DNP acts as a protonophore.. right?
yeppers, it allows ions to leak which bypasses ATP Synthase
I know they like to use the compound in biochemistry to illustrate the membrane transport processes. (2nd year bio coming back to me ) lol.

Do you know about the half-life of DNP phate? (I can't seem to find answer)
around 36 hours
Also, do you mind just reviewing exactly how the drug interacts with your thyroid/metabolism
that i don't think we know, or at least i don't, i have read studies that show DNP suppresses thyroxine and mildly suppresses triiodothyroxine but i've never read why, but it's been postulated that changes in the mitochondria due to uncoupling are dependent on thyroid hormone supply, which might be why DNP is best run with t3 or t4
-VM

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[Vitruvian-Man]

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Very cool man, thanks for the info, that was more then helpful.

Appreciate it,

...(time for me to surf a little WebMD ahaha)

-VM

[FranciscoG]

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I think we discussed some of this via PM a month or two back.

There is a WORLD of difference between crystalin and powder forms of DNP.
There is not that medical clinicals on the chemical since it really has not been used extensively since early 20th century.

I find the crystalin form to be far inferior to the powder form. Although, it might have just been the supplier I bought from pre-capped.

Crystaline form has a half-life that is less than 50% of powder.

This is one product I would say cap for yourself. Know exactly what you are getting per cap.

I also believe the proper diet is very important. Lower carbs are a must unless you wanna feel like you are on fire post every meal.

[Phate]

I think we discussed some of this via PM a month or two back.

There is a WORLD of difference between crystalin and powder forms of DNP.
There is not that medical clinicals on the chemical since it really has not been used extensively since early 20th century.

I find the crystalin form to be far inferior to the powder form. Although, it might have just been the supplier I bought from pre-capped.

Crystaline form has a half-life that is less than 50% of powder.

This is one product I would say cap for yourself. Know exactly what you are getting per cap.

I also believe the proper diet is very important. Lower carbs are a must unless you wanna feel like you are on fire post every meal.

i don't understand why you are saying the half-life of crystal is half that of powder, are they metabolized differently because without an ester or another release altering mechanism the half life is a constant

[FranciscoG]

i don't understand why you are saying the half-life of crystal is half that of powder, are they metabolized differently because without an ester or another release altering mechanism the half life is a constant

From what I understood and by all means as I pointed out earlier there is not a lot of data present;


Powdered DNP - 2,4Dinitrophenol

Crystallized DNP - 2,4Dinitrophenol + Salt ester ªtreated with base trisodium phosphateª. This forms an ionic molecule. There will be an increase in absorption º10xº.

While powder form of DNP has a variable half-life of 36 hours, Crystallized DNP's half life is significantly shorter due to bio-activity.

Powder form has a slower biological set in time and slower clearance time.

Half-life can be effected by many other factors.

With powdered DNP your DNP levels will gradually increase as wellas perpiration, lipo reactions and so on. In opposite, with the Crystallized form of DNP, you get a sudden spike of DNP levels in the body within 2-5 hours, this will not be gradual and will feel intense as compared to powder form.

Of course there is basic biological effects that one feel. 48 hours or so after crystaline form you begin to feel normal, correct?

Logic stands to reason, that if there is a 36 hour half-life them post weeks of use it will take 96 hours to see clearance?

[taiboxa]

just curious have you managed to keep all your gains from your cycling days in the past two years that you have been clean?

as for lbm retention/musclememory and what not.. i did fairly well.. i am still FAR FAR above the average gym go'er even after taking 2 years off from the gym and aas.

the heaviest i have ever been was 335lbs .. at about 17-19%bf.. it was REALLY hard to determine because im extremely sensitive to sodium and can retain insane amounts of water.. i feel like crap yet my workouts are at my prime when im bloated like a whale (the retention of extracellular water really helps w/ "Spring Back" on my lifts so when the weight comes down muscles are so tight its almost like wearing a weak ass shirt or lifting suit, sadly it makes any type of blood volume training or intense pumps actually PAINFUL so that is a hinderence) then i dieted down from 335 to 255 w/ help of insane amounts of chemicals..

it was around that weight [time] that i ran into some Legality issues and drama that completely affected my social/gym life and i had to "stay away" from the gym and all other similar environments. so basically for 2 years i just did lil bits of isometric workouts, pushups, pullups, shit tons of lunges, lots of .. ODDBALL types of resistance training to still keep all my muscles somewhat stimulated (plus being an industrial electrician my job is extremely physically demanding.. i do alot of pipework and usually each 10ft stick of pipe weighs around 100lbs and to lift one up.. carry it.. screw it on to another piece of pipe and what not is good for all around development).

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR Q.. Yes.. i retained pretty much all the LBM i acquired through the aid of exogenous hormonal supplementation, also muscle memory has been really good to me as well. The thing is, i didnt start aas until i was pretty much at my peak w/ ~10years of solid training/research behind me (which i believe is the key to LBM retention) and i ate solid and healthy through both my "happy days" and my "lack of aas days"