Newbie question looking for advice....

[adamS4]

Hey all I'm new to the site... I'm looking to take my first injectable cycle. I have taken pill form cycles before like suss500. I have a healthy diet my cardio is good and I'm lifting 2 to 3hrs a day 6 days a week. I'm looking to gain anywhere from 10 to 20lbs of lean muscle I don't want to bulk up and then have to cut down I am already lean at 5'10'' 195 at 7%... Ive been doing my research and asking around a lot but there are soo many options its becoming frustrating... This is just another way to help me make the right decision.

Any input is greatly apriciated

Thanks

[jbm]

Hey all I'm new to the site... I'm looking to take my first injectable cycle. I have taken pill form cycles before like suss500. I have a healthy diet my cardio is good and I'm lifting 2 to 3hrs a day 6 days a week. I'm looking to gain anywhere from 10 to 20lbs of lean muscle I don't want to bulk up and then have to cut down I am already lean at 5'10'' 195 at 7%... Ive been doing my research and asking around a lot but there are soo many options its becoming frustrating... This is just another way to help me make the right decision.

Any input is greatly apriciated

Thanks

bold I think that's overtraining....

age?

[adamS4]

I understand its a bit over board lol and I am 24

[bjpennnn]

You will find this link helpfull everything you need to know for your first cycle good luck.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[G4R]

How old are you?
What does your diet look like?

[adamS4]

I am 24

Diet:

200 grams of protien a day and my carb intake is complex carbs

for instance today was

meal 1
whey protein shake in the morning and a bowl of oatmeal
meal 2
then 6 egg whites and 2 slices of turkey bacon
meal 3
bowl of tuna
meal 4
protein shake
then pasta

gym

meal 6
protein shake
chicken and brown rice

[adamS4]

Does no one have any response to this?

[bjpennnn]

bro the fact that you posted you had only 200grams of protein tell sme have you not done your research.

Diet
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516
start there

[JScondition]

You need way more caloric intake if you wanna put some muscle on. A typical response when people get on here is they think their diet is in check, but really it could use a lot of work. You are going to need to eat a lot more if you plan on gaining 10 to 20 lbs. Hit up the diet forum before you start thinking about gear. I'll bet if you changed your diet you could put on some mass before you started AAS.

[adamS4]

That was one days diet my diet is fine trust me I have been dieting all my life... unlike most everyone else who gets on here when it come to diet there are not too many ppl who will top me... not to sound cocky at all but I've wrestled my whole life my mom is a personal trainer and Ive trained at the OTC so when I say my diet is in check trust me... my diet is in check.

[matt77]

I am 24

Diet:

200 grams of protien a day and my carb intake is complex carbs

for instance today was

meal 1
whey protein shake in the morning and a bowl of oatmeal
meal 2
then 6 egg whites and 2 slices of turkey bacon
meal 3
bowl of tuna
meal 4
protein shake
then pasta

gym

meal 6
protein shake
chicken and brown rice

You post this diet and then say if anyones diet is in check yours is??

-half your protein comes from shakes
-pasta, oatmeal, and brown rice is your only source of carb

3 shakes a day is 2 to many. Where are the vegetables in your diet?? You need a balanced diet with the proper macros and excess calories to grow! So like everyone else said, your diet needs major work before considering using AAS. If you eat like that you will not gain anything. If by chance you do it will all be gone in a few weeks after PCT.

[matt77]

... One more thing 2-3hrs/day 6 days a week is over training period! Thats another reason your not growing. With that routine and diet your body is staying catabolic almost all the time just to keep going. Plus your setting yourself up for injury.

[adamS4]

Again your basing your opinion of my diet on one day..... I didn't ask anyone to fix my diet I have a nutritionist for that... I ask for an opinion on a cycle and that alone

[adamS4]

Again lets stay on topic here my body is fine I'm not setting myself up for injury thats how much the team trained at the OTC

[Matt]

No one is going to give you cycle advice when you cant do the fundamental basics like diet correctly...

[adamS4]

ok one last time the diet Im on is for summer... it is summer time and everyone wants a summer body My cycle will not begin until October then the diet will change with it I know my body and I KNOW HOW TO DIET... I am just not sure on what to take for a first time cycle and I'm not looking to get too much bigger.

[MaNiCC]

My kid sister eats better then that, no offence

[adamS4]

HAHAHA MaNiCC I'm interested to see what your kid sister looks like then lol well its apparent that you really don't know too much about dieting yourself seeing as how this has turned into nothing productive other than an interesting yet stupid debate

[nilrac]

To be fair, I haven't seen any calories counted and I am assuming this was just a rough outline of his daily intake.

@ OP... count your calories for a general day: protein, carbs, fats
And how much is real food and how much is supplementation and get back to us.

200g of protein for 195Lbs frame isn't the end of the world either. International sports journal states 0.9g of protein per pound of bodyweight will build muscle. This is an official study. I would definitely try and increase this figure though, especially if you are going to be taking gear.

GL.

[matt77]

You will find this link helpfull everything you need to know for your first cycle good luck.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

Did you miss this post? Everything your looking for is right here. Come up with a cycle, supports, and PCT. Then post it with your bulking diet outlined to let others help you.

I would still fire your nutritionist and stop working out with the guys who think 3hrs six days a week is the way to train.

[ghettoboyd]

ha ha ha this is rich youve managed to crap on well respected members of the forum....good luck getting any answers....maybee get your attitude in check along with that diet....

[nilrac]

Did you miss this post? Everything your looking for is right here. Come up with a cycle, supports, and PCT. Then post it with your bulking diet outlined to let others help you.

I would still fire your nutritionist and stop working out with the guys who think 3hrs six days a week is the way to train.

Dang, I missed that... lol

[matt77]

To be fair, I haven't seen any calories counted and I am assuming this was just a rough outline of his daily intake.

@ OP... count your calories for a general day: protein, carbs, fats
And how much is real food and how much is supplementation and get back to us.

200g of protein for 195Lbs frame isn't the end of the world either. International sports journal states 0.9g of protein per pound of bodyweight will build muscle. This is an official study. I would definitely try and increase this figure though, especially if you are going to be taking gear.

GL.

Your right 200g is not a horrid figure if it were whole foods. But when over 1/2 of it is shakes it sucks. 1.5g/lb is where most people can grow well unless your a hard gainer. So from a numbers stand point the OP is not far off but since most of its powdered he lacks the steady flow of aminos from whole food proteins.

[adamS4]

Matt77 you really aren't getting it lol the nutritionist I have is from the OTC (olympic training center) and the people I lift with are from there as well but it seems as though you know something olympic athletes dont... the only reason Im not there is because of a surgery...

nilrac: Thanks for your input. finally someone who isn't telling me to check here or there and more or less just giving me the run around... I will get all that info needed and post it on here later today.

[matt77]

Dang, I missed that... lol

Just slightly excessive huh lol

[adamS4]

I have read that thread but will that be putting a lot of weight on me? I m not trying to look too much bigger

[matt77]

Matt77 you really aren't getting it lol the nutritionist I have is from the OTC (olympic training center) and the people I lift with are from there as well but it seems as though you know something olympic athletes dont... the only reason Im not there is because of a surgery...

nilrac: Thanks for your input. finally someone who isn't telling me to check here or there and more or less just giving me the run around... I will get all that info needed and post it on here later today.

NO, I get it just fine. Does the OTC give AAS advice too? Everyone here is trying to tell you that if you eat and train like that AAS will not help you!! It actually may hurt you. What are your goals? You say your 195lbs @7% body fat. So if you put on 20lbs of muscle like you say you want to but then you say you dont wanna be bulky. You cant have both. 215lbs @ 7-8% at your height is pretty bulky.

Training like an olympic athlete and the training style for using AAS is a lot different. AAS has its place with high volume performance based training but only the elite should be using it under the watchful eye of a trainer that has the experience to keep you from getting hurt. If your coming back from surgery then its for sure something you need to stay away from.

[nilrac]

Just slightly excessive huh lol

40 mins, I am in and out, usually pure hypertrophy, though sometimes strength, sometimes high-rep to open everything up etc. But I am never weight training longer than an hour.

3 hours is marathon training hahaha.

[MaNiCC]

HAHAHA MaNiCC I'm interested to see what your kid sister looks like then lol well its apparent that you really don't know too much about dieting yourself seeing as how this has turned into nothing productive other than an interesting yet stupid debate

I ment healthier not more. seen as you hang with all these professionals why dont you ask them instead of all the idiots we have on the board? did they tell you they are all natural?

[adamS4]

NO, I get it just fine. Does the OTC give AAS advice too? Everyone here is trying to tell you that if you eat and train like that AAS will not help you!! It actually may hurt you. What are your goals? You say your 195lbs @7% body fat. So if you put on 20lbs of muscle like you say you want to but then you say you dont wanna be bulky. You cant have both. 215lbs @ 7-8% at your height is pretty bulky.

Training like an olympic athlete and the training style for using AAS is a lot different. AAS has its place with high volume performance based training but only the elite should be using it under the watchful eye of a trainer that has the experience to keep you from getting hurt. If your coming back from surgery then its for sure something you need to stay away from.

Surgery was 3 yrs ago I'm fine now I just cant compete anymore but I do understand what your saying as far as differences go 20lbs is fine I don't wanna gain more than that.. and the reason I was asking about the other thread is because Ive cut my whole life I'm kind of over it lol so Id like to take a cycle that has as little of it as possible if possible... And to answer your other question no the OTC does not give advice for AAS LOL thats why I am here asking questions. I'm not an idiot I know quit a bit I just don't know what to take and if everyone thinks 2 hrs is over board then Ill slow down a bit lol, not that hard I'm just used to always training... I think we are finally getting on the same page here... Finally progress

[adamS4]

Manicc I never said you were an idiot AND it would be dumb of me to ask them about AAS lol its the OTC... Im asking about AAS cycles lol

[matt77]

Adam, Everyones first cycle should be the same as in that thread. How your eat, rest, and train determines the results you will get. With AAS its like almost everything in life, keep it simple. You start with only test and add other things further down the road when you have the experience to deal witht the sides. I think most people over do it with the compounds in their cycles. IMO theres only about 5 or so compounds that are needed besides test to acheive your goals. Another thing, your PCT is just as important if not more important than the cycle itself. One final thing to remember if you go down this road, "ALWAYs use a Test base in all your cycles down the road" no matter what anyone else tells you. Everyone here will back this up!

[JScondition]

.. and the reason I was asking about the other thread is because Ive cut my whole life I'm kind of over it lol so Id like to take a cycle that has as little of it as possible if possible...

So stop cutting and bulk... you will add weight. AAS is not an easy answer to put on 20 lbs cause you want to stop cutting. It is a lifestyle change. A change that you will have to live with for the rest of your life. You can't just take one cycle and decide "OK I'm done now" you can, but you will lose a lot if not all of your weight. Not to mention you will have messed with your natty hormone levels and will have to live with the fact that they might not ever go back to normal even with proper PCT. If you are down with the risks involved and serious enough to change your lifestyle then you might consider AAS. But like many have said you have a long way to go. You need to research. Read everything you can because you cant just rely on the posts of a few to build a cycle around.

Like the earlier thread stated you need to start with a test only cycle. It is the most basic of cycles to a)see how you react to the sides because if you run anything else in the future test will be your base compound and b)you are going to get your best gains on your first cycle and test will get you there.

Basic starter cycle: Test 500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks

Are you gyno prone? If so you will need to research taking an AI to combat gyno on cycle.

Do you want to take hcg on cycle? if so you need to read up and decide if it is right for you. Some take it on cycle some don't.

Do you know what you are going to run for PCT? Most will run a combo of nolva and clomid, but the doses vary slightly among members here.

Do you know how to self inject? Do you know where to inject? Do you know your compound half lives are? Do you know what can happen if you inject wrong and how to fix these problems?

These are all things you need to read into because these little questions you need to know and no one is going to write a novel explaining these things to you. There are also hundreds of other questions that you will have and the answers are all here in the forum so use the search button and read.

Best of luck,

JSc

[nikolai14]

sorry to jump off topic, but hey 007.. is that slash from guns and roses in your avy? if so, he really beefed up..lol

[adamS4]

These are the tips I was looking for thank you everyone!

[Blade15]

bold I think that's overtraining....

age?

Agreed X 100000000000000000... 4 days a week weight training and 2 days for cardio..just my 2c...