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    [QUOTE=kingfish;5397474]Flats, I'm curious about your statement "my metabolism switched sides and is now playing for me instead of against me". What exactly has changed and how long did it take? What have you done to make this happen?
    I'm convinced the diet is the part that's giving me the most grief. So, I'm overhauling it and cutting way back on carbs and adding in lots of fresh veggies. I've been looking around online for fat-loss diets to find one I can live with. I assume because of my constant calorie deficit, I won't gain size right now (even tho my strength is increasing) but I'd much rather concentrate on losing bf and getting my lipid profile and BP back in a healthy range.[/QUOTE

    Well, I was a complete fatass - you can see from my before pics. Three kids - stressful job - marriage on the rocks - I was a big slug - even though I had been on trt for a while, I was one of "those" that thought it would do it all for me. It wasn't until I took those before pics - and BAM - I said holy crap - no wonder you cant move around and play with your kids, and no wonder your wife really does not think you are hot, lol. So here is what I did and it is pretty simple.

    I started doing cardio, and cut out as many carbs as I could. I would say that I was taking in between 0 and 20g of carbs a day in. I NEVER counted calories, ate all the time and the 0-20 varied some days I would have 0, some days I would have 20 or so, some days 15 and so on, but no specific pattern. I almost never hit the weights, but I have a small ranch, and there is always heavy work to do - so stuff like building fence, moving hay from the field to the barn, etc, was my weight training during this period. I did this for about 3 months and then added a few more healthy carbs in. Somewhere around by 40th pound lost, I started noticing that I could eat more carbs and still lose weight - I also started lifting - which helped with the extra carbs. I still don't count calories, although I may have to start changing my diet now and dive into the macros to reach my ultimate goal.

    As everyone here knows I think high BF is the root of most all our evils (those with higher BF). My preference for anyone with high BF is to lose it how ever you can - testosterone certainly helps this in many ways. It WILL allow you to add a little mass while you lose BF - don't think it won't. AND if you are on a low carb plan you are ingesting a lot of protein at the same time. T actually goes well with a low carb diet if your main goal is to lose that BF.

    So the whole picture is this - the key is to increase your lbm right? I just think it is easier for overweight guys to lose the BF first - still be active and do some type of lifting, but focus on the cardio. I know a lot of people will say the opposite - but this is what worked for me. There will be a line you cross - lbm/BF% where you know your metabolism is working for you now - and at that point you can decide if it is time to switch your diet up to really increase mass. I have about 10-15 more to go and I think I will be at that point.

    MY bp is normal now and my total cholesterol went from 314 to 199 btw.

    Take the pics - whether you post them or not doesn't matter, and look at them everyday - don't just look in the mirror bro.

    Sorry this is so long - let me know if I can help you in any way and good luck - you can do this!!!
    Last edited by flatscat; 10-21-2010 at 08:15 AM.

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    Flats, I got your PM but couldn't reply (haven't hit 50 posts yet)
    I have to remember to be patient - I too assumed HRT would burn bodyfat at some unbelievable rate but I'm seeing that my carb intake was way too high. The 20g daily carbs you're eating sounds crazy low - that was the daily limit when I was on Atkins, but hey, if it works for you then that's great. I know I wouldn't have the energy to work out with carbs that low. I started cooking pork/chicken/beef etc to bring to work for two meals during the day and raw veggies like broccoli/califlower etc to go with.
    I'm shooting for 2400cal daily which is 500 below my weight maintenance requirement (if the cal calculator is accurate) so at the very least I should lose 1lb a week just form the calorie deficit. I'd like to lose 2-3 lb weekly to stay motivated, but no more than that. My strength has come back after starting HRT as reflected by my bench going back up. Right now I just want to get the weight off but it's been a struggle to get everything in synch, the diet being the toughest part. I'm trying to work out 3 or 4x week and get 15-20 mins of vigorous cardio in after the workout. My trainer tells me not to go overboard with the cardio right now as building muscle will have greater metabolic effect than cardio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingfish View Post
    Flats, I got your PM but couldn't reply (haven't hit 50 posts yet)
    I have to remember to be patient - I too assumed HRT would burn bodyfat at some unbelievable rate but I'm seeing that my carb intake was way too high. The 20g daily carbs you're eating sounds crazy low - that was the daily limit when I was on Atkins, but hey, if it works for you then that's great. I know I wouldn't have the energy to work out with carbs that low. I started cooking pork/chicken/beef etc to bring to work for two meals during the day and raw veggies like broccoli/califlower etc to go with.
    I'm shooting for 2400cal daily which is 500 below my weight maintenance requirement (if the cal calculator is accurate) so at the very least I should lose 1lb a week just form the calorie deficit. I'd like to lose 2-3 lb weekly to stay motivated, but no more than that. My strength has come back after starting HRT as reflected by my bench going back up. Right now I just want to get the weight off but it's been a struggle to get everything in synch, the diet being the toughest part. I'm trying to work out 3 or 4x week and get 15-20 mins of vigorous cardio in after the workout. My trainer tells me not to go overboard with the cardio right now as building muscle will have greater metabolic effect than cardio.
    i like the 500 calorie deficit a lot...

    dont agree 100% with the trainer about the cardio if you can do 30 i think you'll be better off than 15-20

    sounds like youre going steady and slow...i think its best to lose only 1-2 a week..

    also sound like your making meals for the day and planning everything nicely...wheres the struggle...r u craving/feeling hungry?

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    oh yea - at least 30, prefer 45 of moderate cardio - 135% U won't be burning muscle with your diet and while on trt if you keep it that low

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    per request of his pt

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