Nebido

[cumajstr]

Hi guys, i have question... Will NEBIDO works like TRT also with low dow like 500mg per 12week and not 1000mg like normally?
And if you would compare Nebido 1000mg per 12weeks ( is it same like 250mg Test E per 1 week ) for maintaint test levels on TRT? please anser guys. ThanX.

[Bonaparte]

Your math is awful.
1000mg/12weeks is only 83.3mg of Test U per week. And once you factor in the weight of the huge ester, that's only like 48mg of pure test per week.
500mg per 12 weeks would not be nearly enough.

[07sandiegomuscle]

Your math is awful.
1000mg/12weeks is only 83.3mg of Test U per week. And once you factor in the weight of the huge ester, that's only like 48mg of pure test per week.
500mg per 12 weeks would not be nearly enough.

Bonaparte, you seem pretty knowledgeable. I was told it isn't a good idea to cycle Nebido for anabolic muscle building by a few people. But I have heard of a few people doing it and were happy about it. I know it is mostly for TRT. But what is so bad about using it for anabolic muscle building for like a newbie cycle? If 2 shots were taken 2 weeks apart and a month later Test levels are 1700ng/ml- what is a failure about that? That is a good level isn't it? Yeah, I am not sure when it is going to taper down exactly and what I should do about it. In your quote responding to cumajstr, I am confused that it sounds like you are saying Nebido doesn't boost one's test up very much, but 1700ng/ml is a lot isn't it? What are people's test levels when they are on traditional cycles? Hypothetically, if one's natural test was let's say 600. And, they are taking let's say 750 a week, doesn't that equal about 1150 test. a week? 750 is good for newbie's and mid level builders right?

Thanks Bonaparte, I am just trying to educate myself.

[Ashop]

It will be interesting to hear feedback on this newer NEBIDO.

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...therapy-Nebido

[Bonaparte]

Bonaparte, you seem pretty knowledgeable. I was told it isn't a good idea to cycle Nebido for anabolic muscle building by a few people. But I have heard of a few people doing it and were happy about it. I know it is mostly for TRT. But what is so bad about using it for anabolic muscle building for like a newbie cycle? If 2 shots were taken 2 weeks apart and a month later Test levels are 1700ng/ml- what is a failure about that? That is a good level isn't it? Yeah, I am not sure when it is going to taper down exactly and what I should do about it. In your quote responding to cumajstr, I am confused that it sounds like you are saying Nebido doesn't boost one's test up very much, but 1700ng/ml is a lot isn't it? What are people's test levels when they are on traditional cycles? Hypothetically, if one's natural test was let's say 600. And, they are taking let's say 750 a week, doesn't that equal about 1150 test. a week? 750 is good for newbie's and mid level builders right?

Thanks Bonaparte, I am just trying to educate myself.

First off, note that everyone's TT levels will vary based on a variety of biological factors (like SHBG levels and how fast one metabolizes the drug), and that all the numbers I'm about to throw out are just rough estimates or averages.
When we measure testosterone on a bloodtest, it is normally measured in ng/dl. This has no direct correlation to mg per week of exogenous test.
70mg/week of pure test (100mg/week of test E) will give most guys around 700-800ng/dl.
1700ng/dl would be had from around 200-250mg of Test E per week (which is barely enough to see gains).
500mg of test E (a decent cycle dose) will give 3500-4000ng/dl.
And Nebido would be shitty for a cycle since it takes so long to kick in and clear your system. You would have to pin several MASSIVE doses, then wait for months to see results. Who wants to do that?? And then you'd have to wait like 4 months after your last shot to start PCT, which would be tricky to say the least.
Unless you are on TRT, forget about Nebido.

[flexandex]

is this the new trt wonderdrug or something?

[Far from massive]

It seems that way now, however I wonder if there will be any long term problems from having such a large depo in your glute for so long?

[CMB]

I wouldn't use it for anabolic use not alone anyway I would have to include a different testosterone ester as well. Unless you're cruising of course

But what the hell do I know about nebido? haha. Just my .02 cents.

[Bonaparte]

It seems that way now, however I wonder if there will be any long term problems from having such a large depo in your glute for so long?

I don't think it sits in your glute longer than anything else. I do believe that the compound, oil and solvents get absorbed in a timely fashion, and that the esterfied hormone then just circulates through your system for months.

[Far from massive]

I don't think it sits in your glute longer than anything else. I do believe that the compound, oil and solvents get absorbed in a timely fashion, and that the esterfied hormone then just circulates through your system for months.

My understanding (or misunderstanding) is that esterfication mainly affects (increases) water solubility and decreases oil solubility of a given steroid hence its rate of absorption into the blood stream (from the depot) and that once in the blood stream esterases cleave the ester fairly quicky and then the final breakdown and utilization of the steroid in question happens pretty rapidly. Nebido by utilizing castor oil and maybe a few things they don't disclose is better able to utilize this process better ( more even blood concentration over time) than previous testosterone undecyclenate injections.

Is my understanding wrong, and if so does the short and long ester steroids get picked up into the blood at the same rate from the depot? and the ester then affects the rate of cleaving within the circulatory system?

[Bonaparte]

My understanding (or misunderstanding) is that esterfication mainly affects (increases) water solubility and decreases oil solubility of a given steroid hence its rate of absorption into the blood stream (from the depot) and that once in the blood stream esterases cleave the ester fairly quicky and then the final breakdown and utilization of the steroid in question happens pretty rapidly. Nebido by utilizing castor oil and maybe a few things they don't disclose is better able to utilize this process better ( more even blood concentration over time) than previous testosterone undecyclenate injections.

Is my understanding wrong, and if so does the short and long ester steroids get picked up into the blood at the same rate from the depot? and the ester then affects the rate of cleaving within the circulatory system?

That's my understanding of it, but we'll wait for someone who knows more about this subject to chime in.

[07sandiegomuscle]

Bonaparte, thanks for explaining!