is clen realy any good for Bodybuilding? please chime in if you are a user of clen

[Steve.O]

well to be honest the main reason ive been looking into clenbuterol recently is because im interested in usin it as part of my future pct. ive read many threads with only slightly differing views but mainly all the same.

anyways id realy appreciate your opinions on clen being used as part of your pct... did it help u keep gains?

like i said majority of the threds ive read state the same that clen has a gud anti-catabolic action. helps to keep coristol at bay and also keeps u slightly anabolic and in 1 or 2 threads it says u can actually gain a lil mass while been on clen.

any hows after reading all that i thought great seems a gud drug. but i also read a thread made by a man who was in the forces an says clenbuterol is actual prescribed in the forces and he and other soldiers use it and that it is catabolic and eats away at muscle aswel as fat. he seemed very accurate listing all side effects of clen and seemd an xperienced user he even says he was shocked that its used in BBing and that it has no use in it.

what id like out of this thread is a bit more insight and views on the use on clenbuterol also its use for pct and has it got its use in BBing?

cheers to anyone who takes the time to read and reply to this thread . Steve.o

[MBMETC]

well to be honest the main reason ive been looking into clenbuterol recently is because im interested in usin it as part of my future pct. ive read many threads with only slightly differing views but mainly all the same.

anyways id realy appreciate your opinions on clen being used as part of your pct... did it help u keep gains?

like i said majority of the threds ive read state the same that clen has a gud anti-catabolic action. helps to keep coristol at bay and also keeps u slightly anabolic and in 1 or 2 threads it says u can actually gain a lil mass while been on clen.

any hows after reading all that i thought great seems a gud drug. but i also read a thread made by a man who was in the forces an says clenbuterol is actual prescribed in the forces and he and other soldiers use it and that it is catabolic and eats away at muscle aswel as fat. he seemed very accurate listing all side effects of clen and seemd an xperienced user he even says he was shocked that its used in BBing and that it has no use in it.

what id like out of this thread is a bit more insight and views on the use on clenbuterol also its use for pct and has it got its use in BBing?cheers to anyone who takes the time to read and reply to this thread . Steve.o

just throwing my opinion out there i am not experianced enough with clen but maybe in his and others in the militarys experiance with clen being catabolic has alot to do with the sup par sleeping, eating, and training active military personel might be subject to.

[zaggahamma]

i thought clen was counter catabolic? doesnt it have the ability to keep gains during cut or is it just enable one to not gain fat when eating excess calories?

[Steve.O]

well i agree with what u both have said and wouldve thought that too. its just u cant always believe what u read. thats why id realy like some input off people who have used it and even used it in pct. im not actually sure that bodybuilders use clen to cut before shows. itd be nice to know they do and think that its effective because that would answer the main reason y i ask. all opinions are appreciated if u think u can chome in plz do so

[Kawigirl]

It is a thermogenic drug; so increase in metobolic stimulation has to come from some where. And, that's organic material...fat...protein....
What I've heard is that the increase though to your BMR is around 3% increase. I can't see it being such a strong stimulant in the "catabolic" area to actually have that effect.

It stimulates oxygen output....increases nervous system...hence; jitters.
Counter productive to be on a stimulant while you've increased calories.

I don't think I've ever looked at it alone to help me loose weight. I've only looked at it as basically an "extra" to keep my metobolism up a little while calories have been cut back so that I can get through my day while dieting / decrease in calories. Out of all the years I've dieted...not one bb/figure or fitness person that I know of has gone through their season without this.

[magic32]

Clen is great for bb'ers.

Clen is not catabolic - will not burn/eat away muscle. It's simply not strong enough to do so, nor does it work on a hormonal level like T3. Instead it uses both thermogenic a lipolytic mechanisms to burn calories primarily via the restoration of homeostasis, e.g. causing your body to work to restore normacy in temp, respiration, bp, etc.

However, to get the cosmetic effect, you still have to create an environment conducive to it, i.e. caloric deficit & training. Neither Clen nor T3 are as potent as their street reputations, just like aas they still require work. But both can be great aids when your regimen is tight!

[Kawigirl]

If there were thumb symbols...I'd insert here magic!

[RaZr]

I'm in the military and the hardest part of everything is that I end up training a lot in the field. This means I have no gym, no shower (except babywipes), and no real food except for MRE's which have a buttload of calories but its not really conducive to gaining muscle mass or losing weight so I wouldn't take their word for it. Also I thought clen wasn't supposed to be used for humans in the US? which forces are you speaking of?

[Steve.O]

he did not state which forces to be honest RAzz.
So magic do u mind going into a little more detail if u can. is it a gud drug to maybe enhance your pct? as say usin the usual protocol of hgc durin cycle then nolva an clomid once its time to use em and use clen also with them mebe a lil longer too. wat u rekon any1 dun this

[dec11]

in all the times i used it i consider it to be overhyped and completely unnecessary

[cro]

how did it work on you ? muscle loss?strength? sredded? or not a damn thing?

in all the times i used it i consider it to be overhyped and completely unnecessary

[zaggahamma]

in all the times i used it i consider it to be overhyped and completely unnecessary

this is interesting...i've only heard good things maybe i didnt delve into wut i've read closely since i didnt think i'd ever use although i recently thought of something thermogenic

[tsidriver]

I've used it. Didn't lose any LBM, but didn't get super cut either. I actually gained while on it. I ran it with some test and winny. Was a little high on the test dosage so that is prob why I didn't cut down as much, but I guess it effects everybody differently. I could def. feel the sides so it was working. I'm actually running another 6 week cycle of it now along with a good diet and cardio. Never used it as part of PCT but have read about bb's that do and have had success.

[Tigershark]

Yes it is!

[zaggahamma]

I've used it. Didn't lose any LBM, but didn't get super cut either. I actually gained while on it. I ran it with some test and winny. Was a little high on the test dosage so that is prob why I didn't cut down as much, but I guess it effects everybody differently. I could def. feel the sides so it was working. I'm actually running another 6 week cycle of it now along with a good diet and cardio. Never used it as part of PCT but have read about bb's that do and have had success.

so youre saying that a higher dose of test will prevent the ability to cut(as much)?

[murrayham]

im getting my clen tomorrow and will be starting cycle next week after holidays. hope it goes ok.. ill defo continue to train hard and hope to see results

[dec11]

how did it work on you ? muscle loss?strength? sredded? or not a damn thing?

gave me drive to train, thats about it. didnt loose anymore bf than i have previously without it. some say its really only good if you want to go from say 8% to 6%

[tsidriver]

so youre saying that a higher dose of test will prevent the ability to cut(as much)?

For me at least, yes I believe that was why I didn't cut as much. I can't say it would be the same for everybody, but logic led me to believe that it must have been the test (was running 700mg/wk) and I ended up bulking up a little while on that cycle. Not to say that it still shouldn't have cut the fat off of me, but it didn't for me. It may have been keeping me in check though. Not sure what would've happened on that cycle had I not been on it. There shouldn't have been any water retention with that cycle. A higher dose of test should lean itself towards gaining more weight (LBM, at least) but should not inhibit the ability to cut fat.

So essentially if you are running a higher dose of test you should be able to cut fat, but not necessarily cut weight, if you get my drift. Assuming, of course that you're not throwing any water retaining compounds in the mix (d-bol, anadrol, etc.) with the test. However, I have also read reports that people have retained water while just running test, and even sometimes winny, which is contradictory to the properties of those compounds. My body is just stupid I guess.

[zaggahamma]

For me at least, yes I believe that was why I didn't cut as much. I can't say it would be the same for everybody, but logic led me to believe that it must have been the test (was running 700mg/wk) and I ended up bulking up a little while on that cycle. Not to say that it still shouldn't have cut the fat off of me, but it didn't for me. It may have been keeping me in check though. Not sure what would've happened on that cycle had I not been on it. There shouldn't have been any water retention with that cycle. A higher dose of test should lean itself towards gaining more weight (LBM, at least) but should not inhibit the ability to cut fat.

So essentially if you are running a higher dose of test you should be able to cut fat, but not necessarily cut weight, if you get my drift. Assuming, of course that you're not throwing any water retaining compounds in the mix (d-bol, anadrol, etc.) with the test. However, I have also read reports that people have retained water while just running test, and even sometimes winny, which is contradictory to the properties of those compounds. My body is just stupid I guess.

yes thanks for the clarify....i'm sure there are a lot of other posts on clen but i just recently took an interest

[terraj]

If you are cutting for a comp....otherwise there is NO NEED.

[pebble]

Clen works by increasing lipolysis to supraphysiological levels. This allows one to reduce kcal consumption while still providing one’s body with a means for energy production that is not reliant on protein metabolism (gluconeogenesis, or muscle protein degredation). Put simply, the body releases more energy from fat cells than it normally would so it needs less kcals from outside of the body to maintain muscle mass by using the extra fat released as energy.

[zaggahamma]

Clen works by increasing lipolysis to supraphysiological levels. This allows one to reduce kcal consumption while still providing one’s body with a means for energy production that is not reliant on protein metabolism (gluconeogenesis, or muscle protein degredation). Put simply, the body releases more energy from fat cells than it normally would so it needs less kcals from outside of the body to maintain muscle mass by using the extra fat released as energy.

or...enabling one to eat a surplus of kcals without gaining fat? as i stated in early post?

correct me if i'm wrong

[cro]

thanks.

gave me drive to train, thats about it. didnt loose anymore bf than i have previously without it. some say its really only good if you want to go from say 8% to 6%

[pebble]

or...enabling one to eat a surplus of kcals without gaining fat? as i stated in early post?

correct me if i'm wrong

I cannot say you are wrong, because I am not 100% sure on that. But it does act as an SNS stimulant raising metabolism slightly. In theory you could eat slightly more, but you could also accomplish that with something as safe as caffeine for a SNS stimulant. But from my understanding of clens mechanisms of action the main purpose is to allow one to fuel the body from its own stores (adipocytes - fat- triglycerides) beyond what is normally possible. This means you can eat less, lose fat faster, and decrease risk of losing muscle mass while in a catabolic state.

[zaggahamma]

I cannot say you are wrong, because I am not 100% sure on that. But it does act as an SNS stimulant raising metabolism slightly. In theory you could eat slightly more, but you could also accomplish that with something as safe as caffeine for a SNS stimulant. But from my understanding of clens mechanisms of action the main purpose is to allow one to fuel the body from its own stores (adipocytes - fat- triglycerides) beyond what is normally possible. This means you can eat less, lose fat faster, and decrease risk of losing muscle mass while in a catabolic state.

i see what your saying and yes some people claim ephedra just as useful

[Ashop]

I like it real well for fat burning and I do believe is has a mild anti catabolic effect.
I really like it best right after a cycle when you finish up PCT.

[Steve.O]

bump... still feel a lil unsatisfied with wat ive gaind from this thread wudnt mind few more views on clenbuterols use in pct. cheers 4 every1 who has contributed some input

[dec11]

bump... still feel a lil unsatisfied with wat ive gaind from this thread wudnt mind few more views on clenbuterols use in pct. cheers 4 every1 who has contributed some input

prob is that you wont get a definative answer, all diff ppl with diff results and sides etc. only way is to try yourself

[Blacksrt42004]

I am about to finish my 2nd clen cycle in a few days and I like the results that I got from it. My first two week cycle with cardio I lost 10lbs. I haven't weighted myself yet during this cycle but I can tell from looking in the mirror that I should have about the same amount of weight loss this time too.

[Steve.O]

so by the sounds of it u lost 20 pounds of weight. are u a weight lifter and do you have much muscle mass. by your judgement do u think u lost much muscle or almost all of it being fat? be great if u cud answer in a lil morw details of your results cheers black

[Blacksrt42004]

I feel it was mostly fat. I have been going to the gym regularly for over four years but I never watched what I ate. I mean I wasn't eating fast food all day every day but I didn't keep track of anything that I took in (calories, fats, sugars, sodium, etc...)

I have noticed that the weight was dropping and I was looking much leaner in the mirror. I wasn't "fat" by any means, but I was not lean. So my goal was to lean out a bit before/if I go for my first cycle.

I don't think that I lost and muscle because I do physical work at my job and I haven't lost a step.

[Honkey_Kong]

Do you guys think Albuterol would be a good substitute for Clenbuterol? Since it's a lot easier to get ahold of Albuterol. And what kind of dosage would be effective for cutting?

[CleanCut]

I have never used Albuterol but I have heard that it doesn't yield the same results as Clen. Clen dosage is 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Start at 40mcg and work your way up to 100 mcgs.
At 100mcgs I was shaking like an old man, but its nothing serious.

[Blacksrt42004]

I have never used Albuterol but I have heard that it doesn't yield the same results as Clen. Clen dosage is 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Start at 40mcg and work your way up to 100 mcgs.
At 100mcgs I was shaking like an old man, but its nothing serious.

Yeah that is the only thing I found annoying about Clen, is that I got the jitters where I couldn't even write anything normally because my hands would shake. For me it was only for about 8-9 days, but it was aggravating.