Tapering...

[smashingbox]

I have noticed that amongst all the pct, hcg and other cycle/ancillary posts and questions/advice... there seems to be almost nothing said about tapering, why? Is tapering not considered a useful method of coming off? Surely slowly tapering off the test dose would allow your body time to adjust better?

Does anyone have a good guide to tapering or information on tapering protocols?

Can anyone comment on how tapering worked for them in terms of recovery, keeping gains, etc compared to 'standard' pct protocols?

[schering]

I don't know anything about that but I wondered the same thing I remember when pyramid cycles were all you ever saw people posting about in which case you'd taper but coming off and tapering sounds intresting maybe someone with some knowledge can shed some light. If not, well time to find a rat!

[schering]

Maybe something like
500mg test wk 1-10
250mg test wk 10-12
125mg test wk 13
75mg test wk 13-14
Then reg pct??? ***Just a thought not advising***

[sixoner]

my thoughts on the subject is tapering down doesn't make you any less shut down..shut down is shut down, you're just prolonging the inevitable..get off and do a proper pct seems to be more logical.

also as time goes on people learn from history via personal experience or the mistakes of others. this is why cycle protocols of years past are different than those of today. also the availability of more/modern compounds

[smashingbox]

Tapering is promoted on other boards, and 'people aren't doing it so it must not any good' isn't very logical. Obviously it doesn't prevent shut down, but it does allow a gradual reduction in exogenous test levels allowing for a gradual increase in endogenous test production. Interested to hear some vets thoughts on this...

[sixoner]

yeah bro, i wasnt suggesting that because people aren't doing it, it must not be any good. if you have a 15+year vet he may follow different protocols today than he did 15yrs ago when tapering down was the norm or whatever. like i said there's more knowledge and more readily available ancilliaries than years ago.

[Lemonada8]

tapering down is good for PCT because you are techinally blocking the estro receptors while your balls get back to producing test. So if you are slowly recovering your balls production of test, you need less and less of the estro blocking.

as for cycling with tapering down, it has/is recommended from other sites but they tend to have more issues. Keep ur normal dose throughout the cycle and then use a PCT. Thats what gets the boys runnin again.

ALso recommended to use HCG throughout the cycle to keep ur boys bigg.

[D7M]

No need to taper off before PCT, especially with longer esters, as they essentially self-taper themselves as the ester clears.

[RaZr]

Tapering is promoted on other boards, and 'people aren't doing it so it must not any good' isn't very logical. Obviously it doesn't prevent shut down, but it does allow a gradual reduction in exogenous test levels allowing for a gradual increase in endogenous test production. Interested to hear some vets thoughts on this...

I dont see your body beginning to produce its own test unless your exo test goes below your natural average amount since your body will still have too much test to need to make any of its own unless you taper to a really low amount

[smashingbox]

Is taper something which used to be done a lot but not so much these days? In my mind I would have thought the idea would be to drop to trt levels and then over a few weeks continue to lower the exo inj amount below natural levels which would then see your body begin to produce natural test... Is there no advantage to doing this? Surely the gradual transition would be easier on your body and you would potentially keep more gains?

[smashingbox]

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[dirtybrd]

I tapered after a long cycle and felt my balls kick back on as if I were on PCT.

[warren916]

Tapering is NO good, and waste of product.

If you inject 50mg of Test into your body for 3 weeks, your body WILL SHUT DOWN ALL NATURAL test production, and will NOT PRODUCE TEST.

SO regardless of if your running 50mg of test, or 1g of test, your going to be shut down all the same.

Tapering is a thing of the past as science shows that it is useless....

[smashingbox]

Did you run PCT at all, or just slowly dropped your dose? Did you run anything (hcg) to promote natural test production?

[warren916]

Nolvadex, Clomid both raise your natty test, and increase LH to your testes, its as good as it gets...

You can run HCG all the way through your cycle, take your last shot of HCG with your lost shot of test.

That way your only shut down for a few weeks instead of the whole cycle.

[dirtybrd]

Did you run PCT at all, or just slowly dropped your dose? Did you run anything (hcg) to promote natural test production?

Is this aimed at me? If so, I did use 15000iu of HCG split up into 3 shots over 12-15 days, nothing after that. Just decided to give it a shot and it worked...this time. Will it again, not sure nor will I try. Prob just got lucky, kept most my gains and strength.

BY NO MEANS AM I SAYING THIS WILL WORK FOR EVERYONE NOR AM I SUGGESTING ANYONE TO TRY IT!!!!!!

[Swifto]

I taper to avoid acne and it works very well.

[rc_p90]

Half lives take care of the taper

[smashingbox]

Hey Swifto I was hoping you would chime in... can you give me an example of a good protocol for tapering? How would you alter things like HCG and PCT, timing, etc?

I am looking to run my first cycle in a few months, Test Cyp 400mg/10weeks, and maybe some oral winny for the final 4 weeks, and then clen during PCT.