Age and hpta recovery?!

[brad1986]

So im wondering. Of cousre its not smart to cycle before your endo system is fully developed. But to me it would seem that if you are younger you would recover from a cycle much faster that you would at an older age. Could sombody set me straight on this? If you are 25 y.o would you recover faster than at 35 y.o?

[B1u3Dr4g0n1]

I have read, the older you are the easier it is on the body, and less sides the older you are...I did read that somewhere.

[Blade15]

I think it is faster to recover at 25 than 35....

[n00bs]

Nothing is set in stone...

[MR10X]

I didnt start using steroids untill i was 34,we didnt do PCT back then and i had no trouble recovering. My cycles were only 8 weeks but they included long ester steroids so my recovery really didnt start untill they were out of my system. I am 64 now and i dont have any trouble recovering from shorter cycle like 8 weeks,but i do PCT if i go longer like 12 weeks which consist of HCG, Clomid and Nolvadex,and only short ester steroids for the last 4 weeks.

[brad1986]

oh ok. beacause some say the younger you are the more you screw up your hpta funtion. Just wondering... Im 25 and started cycling at 23. I should have waited but at least i was on this site researching for 3 years before deciding to do it. I always run pct but all my cycles have been 12 weeks. Just wondering if it will be harder to recover over the years. great to hear your still healthy and cycleing at 64!!!! Thats awesome

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

[MR10X]

oh ok. beacause some say the younger you are the more you screw up your hpta funtion. Just wondering... Im 25 and started cycling at 23. I should have waited but at least i was on this site researching for 3 years before deciding to do it. I always run pct but all my cycles have been 12 weeks. Just wondering if it will be harder to recover over the years. great to hear your still healthy and cycleing at 64!!!! Thats awesome

In 2009 i did 3 8 week cycles and did no PCT,i recovered on my own.I usually take some time off after a cycle so i loose a little size,but it comes back fairly quick when i start a new cycle. When i was doing cycle in the 80's i never did PCT and always recovered pretty quickly and i was in my mid and late 30's. Last year i did a 12 week cycle but did a PCT with HCG,clomid and nolvadex and recovered very nicely. I took 5 months off no cycles and started a cycle in march this year and will do 12 weeks. I like too get my weight down before i start a cycle so i can gain weight while i am on the cycle,i make better gains when i eat and gain weight rather than try to stay at a certian weight or loose weight.

[cro]

man dont be tellin people stuff like this. this will snow ball on here .my dad told me he never did pct /bloodwork . he said he is fine with natty test still . knowledge is key and you obviously know what works for you , BUT THAT IS EXACTLY IT.

I didnt start using steroids untill i was 34,we didnt do PCT back then and i had no trouble recovering. My cycles were only 8 weeks but they included long ester steroids so my recovery really didnt start untill they were out of my system. I am 64 now and i dont have any trouble recovering from shorter cycle like 8 weeks,but i do PCT if i go longer like 12 weeks which consist of HCG, Clomid and Nolvadex,and only short ester steroids for the last 4 weeks.

[MR10X]

Back in the 80's we just didnt do PCT and everybody recovered,even the power lifters that did a lot of test for 12 weeks at the time training for meets.The only ones that i know of that had any problems were the ones that stayed on them for rediculious amouts of time. Steroids work better if you get off of them and let your body normalize then shock your body with them and harder training. you will get stagnet if you stay on them and train continiously and do any thing to shock your body into new groth. I know some people just stay on them so they can look good but make no progress because their body is acustom to the steroids and training with no increased intensity. We had a guy that won the MR America that said he didnt do any steroids for 1 year before the contest and said he got a very good response from them when he used them for the contest which he won easily.

[cro]

exactly what my dad said. he ran plenty of cycles 80s said never had a problem recovering.

Back in the 80's we just didnt do PCT and everybody recovered,even the power lifters that did a lot of test for 12 weeks at the time training for meets.The only ones that i know of that had any problems were the ones that stayed on them for rediculious amouts of time. Steroids work better if you get off of them and let your body normalize then shock your body with them and harder training. you will get stagnet if you stay on them and train continiously and do any thing to shock your body into new groth. I know some people just stay on them so they can look good but make no progress because their body is acustom to the steroids and training with no increased intensity. We had a guy that won the MR America that said he didnt do any steroids for 1 year before the contest and said he got a very good response from them when he used them for the contest which he won easily.

[MR10X]

My son doesnt do PCT,we normally 8 week cycles and he has no problem recovering.2 years ago his wife wanted to get pregnant again,at the time he was on a cycle and while he was on the cycle she couldnt get pregnant.about 1 month after his cycle she got pregnant with identical twin boys and he didnt do a PCT after the cycle.One year later after a cycle she got pregnant again with a girl,it was an accident but they couldnt be happier.

[brad1986]

My dad did the same thing in the 70's. Never used pct and recovered just fine. I dont get it though. It doesnt make sence scientifically.. But of course unless your getting blood work done you never truly know if you recovered or not. The outside body doesnt always reflect whats going on on the inside. I pct everytime if for no other reason but to keep my hard earned gains

[Ashop]

So im wondering. Of cousre its not smart to cycle before your endo system is fully developed. But to me it would seem that if you are younger you would recover from a cycle much faster that you would at an older age. Could sombody set me straight on this? If you are 25 y.o would you recover faster than at 35 y.o?

Your right,,,you will recover faster when your younger,,,you will also not notice the sides of some drugs as much when your a younger man.

[brad1986]

k thanks you guys! I feel much more informed

[MR10X]

Your right,,,you will recover faster when your younger,,,you will also not notice the sides of some drugs as much when your a younger man.

I find that i recover just as well now that im 64 as i did when i was 34.I also find my side effects dont bother me as much now either.i use to break out really bad when i used a lot of test when i was in my 30's,now i can take more and the side effects are not as bad and i dont break out now.Yes the test is real,although i dont break out now my skin does get real oily.