first ever cycle

[supafla777]

Guys with this wealth of information i feel overwhelmed on what to start with or use. I am 37 years old work out 5 times a week 5'7" 149 pounds and 12% BF dont smoke or drink eat very healthy. With that being sad what will be the best starter cycle.

I hope you guys aren't gonna go off on me with do your research and all that stuff because i tried and i still feel lost because the choices are too many.

What am looking ofr is to gain 10 pounds of lean muscle and a cycle that can allow me to bulk and cut at the same time and a good suggestion for a PCT cycle

[Huge_Brah]

From what I've read you would do just Test and then something for gyno if you get it.

Also.... bulk and cut at the same time?

[supafla777]

why just test and if so can you give me more details dosage and frequency thanks and yes i saw at some other sites where they sell a bulking/cutting cycle at the same time is that too hard for the liver and first time users?

[supafla777]

does tren alone do the work if not do i need to add test since i want to bulk and cut

[TheClinch]

Use test only on your first cycle. If you respond badly to the test at least you aren't guessing what is the cause of the issues while things are getting worse.

Do not do a cycle without including testosterone. If you have done your research like you claim then you already know why.

Split up a 500mg/week for 10-12 week cycle into two 250mg injections twice a week to help maintain blood levels.

Have a proper pct protocol on hand before you start, again, if you researched you already know this.

Lastly, diet is so very important! Clearly you have no idea how to eat. You must go to the diet section here and get educated in how to eat to grow! No excuses, go do it. Its not your metabolism, its your eating habits.

Have everything you need on hand before starting anything!

[TheClinch]

Never use AAS without test! You should know this already! You need more time researching

[TheClinch]

Tren is very effective at cutting fat while building muscle.

Bad advice, DO NOT USE TREN IN A FIRST CYCLE PERIOD. It is a serious compound not to be taken lightly! Advanced AAS users only...not for novice users

[supafla777]

ok so test alone will do got it as far as te diet part i already have that figured out i did my reserch lots of beer and bacon lmao no just kidding but i dont want you to think am bargaining with you wil test and dboll do or juts test since this is my first time. am looking to bulk and cut is that possible for first time users ?

[TheClinch]

My mistake, I should have clarified the need for a testosterone base as well as experience with aas.

Both you and the OP need and must research more. your understanding of AAS and potential side effects, preventative measures, and curative measures is lacking! No joke, you can experience sides like gyno that can become irreversible without surgery if not taken care of properly at all stages of cycling. And oh yes there's more like ED among other things for example...

[supafla777]

jesus man you scared me off already lmao ok test will do

[TheClinch]

You are travelling in different directions with those goals. However, they both can be acheived at the same time to a certain degree. Somethimg has to give though, one will take dominance over the other depending how diet and training is set up.

This is where the diet section comes in my man

[TheClinch]

Not trying to be old testament, but you are asking to play with your endocrine system, take time to understand the gravity of that otherwise you will f!ck up.

[TheClinch]

Instead, read the stickies here in the forum. The novice cycles were written a long time ago and better information was posted in the educational threads! Read that first

[songdog]

Wat you need to do is hit the diet section.You need to learn how to eat.Post your diet with macros.Believe me if you dont eat right you wont keep any gains you get.All you need to do is run test 400mg a week.Have a AI like adex on hand for bloat.For pct you need clomid and nova.Read the pct section for proper doses.And dont listen to any MORONS about runnin tren.Tren isnt for beginners.Run test only for your 1st cycle.That way if you have any sides you know wats causing it.Good luck.

[supafla777]

pibs gimme the link bud sorry to be a burdain on you guys and thanks all for the pointers clinch thanks bud

[TheClinch]

Wat you need to do is hit the diet section.You need to learn how to eat.Post your diet with macros.Believe me if you dont eat right you wont keep any gains you get.All you need to do is run test 400mg a week.Have a AI like adex on hand for bloat.For pct you need clomid and nova.Read the pct section for proper doses.And dont listen to any MORONS about runnin tre.Tren isnt for beginners.Run test only for your 1st cycle.That way if you have any sides you know wats causing it.Good luck.

^^ Songdog know whats what, listen up

[supafla777]

thanks you guys really are awesome and of great advice

[TheClinch]

No problem at all, thats what the forum is for

[songdog]

Tren is very effective at cutting fat while building muscle.

Why on earth would you recommend tren on a 1st cycle? Not very smart Bro!!

[Sesso]

I would like to know what you eat. How often you eat?

You seem like an ecto.

If you aren't eating enough now, you def. Won't be eating enough on cycle. You may potentially lose weight or get stuck at 149 the whole time lol.

I am an ecto myself and I have to eat a min of 400 cals every 2 hours until I sleep.

[supafla777]

heres my diet let me know what you guys think

Breakfast:

Egg Whites
Oats
Coffee
Meal 2:

Lean Steak
Brown Rice
Mid-morning:

Chicken
Sweet Potato
Broccoli
Lunch:

Fish
Brown Rice
Broccoli
Midafternoon:

Chicken
Sweet Potato
Broccoli
Pre-Workout:

Tilapia
Brown Rice
Coffee
Post-Workout:

Protein Shake with Glutamine, Creatine, and Vitargo
Dinner:

Lean Steak
Broccoli
Nighttime Snack:

Meal Replacement Shake

[boz]

does tren alone do the work if not do i need to add test since i want to bulk and cut

Do not even look upon even contemplate the use of tren, with your weight its clear you are not ready for any aas, but IF and you think you are a test only cycle should be fine.

[TheClinch]

heres my diet let me know what you guys think

Breakfast:

Egg Whites
Oats
Coffee
Meal 2:

Lean Steak
Brown Rice
Mid-morning:

Chicken
Sweet Potato
Broccoli
Lunch:

Fish
Brown Rice
Broccoli
Midafternoon:

Chicken
Sweet Potato
Broccoli
Pre-Workout:

Tilapia
Brown Rice
Coffee
Post-Workout:

Protein Shake with Glutamine, Creatine, and Vitargo
Dinner:

Lean Steak
Broccoli
Nighttime Snack:

Meal Replacement Shake

The layout looks ok. I suspect your portioning is insufficient. Did you work out the macro nutrient values of these meals yet?

[boz]

heres my diet let me know what you guys think

Breakfast:

Egg Whites
Oats
Coffee
Meal 2:

Lean Steak
Brown Rice
Mid-morning:

Chicken
Sweet Potato
Broccoli
Lunch:

Fish
Brown Rice
Broccoli
Midafternoon:

Chicken
Sweet Potato
Broccoli
Pre-Workout:

Tilapia
Brown Rice
Coffee
Post-Workout:

Protein Shake with Glutamine, Creatine, and Vitargo
Dinner:

Lean Steak
Broccoli
Nighttime Snack:

Meal Replacement Shake

With a weight of 149lbs how is it even possible u still weigh that, how much do u burn of this?

[supafla777]

clinch i haven't worked out the macros can you help me with that and boz if this diet isn't good and too fatty can you let me know what needs to be taken out or point me in the right direction.

[supafla777]

bump for any assistance with my diet sofar just been told about the macros can you guys assist me with that

[TheClinch]

Go to the diet section and learn what macros are and google macro nutrients to get off on the right foot. You'll need to do some work of your own there.
Here is a link to help you on your way...
http://nutritiondata.self.com/

[supafla777]

cool thanks clinch

[ScotchGuard02]

If you want to get gain weight and get bigger you have to eat like a big man. Don't worry about cutting while you're bulking. Worry about eating properly during your cycle. It's the food that's going to ultimately determine your body fat not the AAS. "Cutting" AAS just means that the compound holds less water during the cycle. The actual cutting of the fat comes from the diet and cardio. There are compound that aids this process like winny but it's affects are only secondary to the diet and cardio. For your first cycle just take Test and watch your diet. You'll be amazed at your results.