Jack3d!!

[DAAS]

Do prework out supplements such as Jack3d offer any aid to building muscle, or are they pretty much just energy supplements?

Also, Im not understanding how someone running Tamox stand alone wouldn't see any benefit. I mean doesn't it increase Total testosterone, LH and FSH? I realize the compound it self isn't anabolic but it could help right?>

[dec11]

no, jack3d is an indirect aid and no tamox wouldnt benefit

[DAAS]

can you explain why tamox wont help at all?

[dec11]

can you explain why tamox wont help at all?

cant rem the exact mechanics of it, the question has been askd many times, do a search and you'll find summit

[DAAS]

yeah ive heard it before to, but never have seen a reason.

I know it [U]MAY[U]lower igf but other then that I dont see how its any different then a test boosters. I mean no one will see any significant results but its bound to help a little IMO

[RaZr]

IMO the little help it gives wont be a noticeable little. The amount of extra test it gives you is nowhere near cycle amounts.

[dec11]

yeah ive heard it before to, but never have seen a reason.

I know it [U]MAY[U]lower igf but other then that I dont see how its any different then a test boosters. I mean no one will see any significant results but its bound to help a little IMO

no such thing, you can only 'add' test in synthetic form

[DAAS]

no such thing, you can only 'add' test in synthetic form

test booster as in it stimulates test production..

[DAAS]

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and yes i couldnt agree more

[RaZr]

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[dec11]

test booster as in it stimulates test production..

again, no such thing as a test booster, they're a con, dont waste money

[DAAS]

again, no such thing as a test booster, they're a con, dont waste money

again im referring to tamox, in which cause it does in fact boost testosterone production. does it not?

[dec11]

again im referring to tamox, in which cause it does in fact boost testosterone production. does it not?

no, it stimulates your body's own production not increase it afaik. and normally medications such as tamox arent referred to as 'boosters', so getting your terminology correct will result in clearer responses

[DAAS]

i said " boost testosterone production" and you said no " it stimulates your body's own production". LOL So if you thought by boost i meant diminish then I can see the discrepancy. Usually boost means increase.

And I realize it is a SERM technically, but it DOES elevate testosterone levels, so what ever you want to call it I dont see how it can not aid in some way to gains... when I was off clomid for 2 days I got my levels tested and they were off the charts. Im sure a cycle of Testosterone would make my levels much higher but regardless, they were probably double my natural levels.

[dec11]

i said " boost testosterone production" and you said no " it stimulates your body's own production". LOL So if you thought by boost i meant diminish then I can see the discrepancy. Usually boost means increase.

And I realize it is a SERM technically, but it DOES elevate testosterone levels, so what ever you want to call it I dont see how it can not aid in some way to gains... when I was off clomid for 2 days I got my levels tested and they were off the charts. Im sure a cycle of Testosterone would make my levels much higher but regardless, they were probably double my natural levels.

you're beginning to piss me off now, boosting and stimulating arent the same, dont patronise. why would anyone inject AAS if it worked? answer that

[goinglong]

you're beginning to piss me off now

Ha Ha. I love it! I'm with ya dec11!

[shooterdude]

DAAS stands for Donkey And A Sucker?

[DAAS]

you're beginning to piss me off now, boosting and stimulating arent the same, dont patronise. why would anyone inject AAS if it worked? answer that

your being a retard. boosting testosterone production is the same thing as stimulating it. Just because I use the word boost, obviously your mind jumps and thinks about OTC test boosters and your like "NO THOSE DONT WORK RAWR!!, THERES NO SUCH THING AS A TEST BOOSTER ROAR". When in fact clomid and Nolva raise testosterone levels by increasing(boosting/stimulating) its production. We are obviously saying the same thing. Now like I said before other then Nolva's eventual risk of possibly lowering IGF why wouldnt it help? and Like you said before YOU dont know.

and as far as your question about injecting AAS i already said that would make test levels much higher(aka more gains) so thats why..obviously. BUt i dont see how being on nolva or clomid and having test levels being >1500ng/dL wouldnt have some sort of (perhaps small) advantage. People are making it sound like it would do absolutely nothing, and all im asking for is for some one to tell me why. Cause obviously neither of us know WHY, so thats all im asking. IM trying to educate myself.

[Ashop]

Do prework out supplements such as Jack3d offer any aid to building muscle, or are they pretty much just energy supplements?

Also, Im not understanding how someone running Tamox stand alone wouldn't see any benefit. I mean doesn't it increase Total testosterone, LH and FSH? I realize the compound it self isn't anabolic but it could help right?>

There may be some indirect muscle building effects from the energy boost causing an increase in intensity.

[rhino6218]

you're beginning to piss me off now, boosting and stimulating arent the same, dont patronise. why would anyone inject AAS if it worked? answer that

nolva increases free test in subjects with deminished levels only to a certain extent. not to an anabolic point. when you "boost" test thru FSH you will only respond to so much as it is not an actual hormone but a catalyst. and boosting and stimulating are not the same thing. if i turn on a light switch, i am turning the light on. not making it brighter. i got your back dec11

[rhino6218]

aww shucks...i hate being the last one to post on a thread

[dec11]

your being a retard. boosting testosterone production is the same thing as stimulating it. Just because I use the word boost, obviously your mind jumps and thinks about OTC test boosters and your like "NO THOSE DONT WORK RAWR!!, THERES NO SUCH THING AS A TEST BOOSTER ROAR". When in fact clomid and Nolva raise testosterone levels by increasing(boosting/stimulating) its production. We are obviously saying the same thing. Now like I said before other then Nolva's eventual risk of possibly lowering IGF why wouldnt it help? and Like you said before YOU dont know.

and as far as your question about injecting AAS i already said that would make test levels much higher(aka more gains) so thats why..obviously. BUt i dont see how being on nolva or clomid and having test levels being >1500ng/dL wouldnt have some sort of (perhaps small) advantage. People are making it sound like it would do absolutely nothing, and all im asking for is for some one to tell me why. Cause obviously neither of us know WHY, so thats all im asking. IM trying to educate myself.

last time i'll be helping you out, you spastic