Death penalty

[songdog]

Where do you stand? I personally think they should use it more often.Why house career criminals? Some people just dont deserve to be on the street and they make our jails very unsafe.Why should we waste money jailing these people who just dont care who they kill for no reason at all.Our jails are just a recruitment center for gangs.Many who can still reach out and still commit crimes while behind bars.Things need to change!!

[lovbyts]

Eye for and Eye. If someone is guilty of murder; I dont mean just beyond a reasonable doubt but I mean it's obvious premeditated murder where there are whiteness, strong DNA evidence etc. then yes 100%

[SexySweetheart]

agree with SONGDOG.

Working with troubled teens I see alotta effed up parents and yes, I have taken some to visit their folks in prison (court ordered visits). From what I know, have seen, experianced and from Tigers storys (corrections officer) jail/prison is just a warehouse we stuff people for a brief period that shouldnt be in the public. Im not talking about some person that a joint was found on, homless people with mental issues that have no place else to go or a lillte old lady that didnt realize she hadnt paid her tickets on time...Im talking about the person that is a leach/danger to us all.

I think they should be dropped off on an ice cap alone with just the tools to build shelter and hunt, let them live their life. no dental cable tv, means to contact their homies or harrass victomes. They dont care about hard working decient people ~ why should we support, enable, provide contacts and resources in prison for them? _oh and than let them out to repeat the cycle and hurt more families and than repeat the cycle again...

people might think a little harder before killing or raping a kid if they knew they are def going to be dropped off in some frozen wasteland alone with no means of contact with the outside world...forever., but if they dont, so what at least the average citizen would have 1 less preditor to worry about, and few extra dollars to be shifted to a diff program than prisons.

[jimmyinkedup]

I agree. My only concern is the corrupt criminal justice system that is made up of so many criminals with badges that choose to build a case around the person they believe is guilty rather than review the evidence and find the true guilty party or are more concerned with making an arrest than finding the guilty party. Thats followed up by a prosecution that cares little for justice and more for conviction rate. More and more with the advent of dna testing wrongfully convicted murderers are being set free. Dont get me wrong - you kill someone in cold blood - you deserve to die. It should be that cut and dry - unfortunatekly with our corrupt criminal justice system in the US many innocent have been or would be wrongfully executed. Those found guilty based on factual evidence - not circumstancial - should fry.
Also pedophiles should be executed under the same circumstance.

[Nooomoto]

Death penalty doesn't bother me at all.

[gixxerboy1]

I agree. My only concern is the corrupt criminal justice system that is made up of so many criminals with badges that choose to build a case around the person they believe is guilty rather than review the evidence and find the true guilty party or are more concerned with making an arrest than finding the guilty party. Thats followed up by a prosecution that cares little for justice and more for conviction rate. More and more with the advent of dna testing wrongfully convicted murderers are being set free. Dont get me wrong - you kill someone in cold blood - you deserve to die. It should be that cut and dry - unfortunatekly with our corrupt criminal justice system in the US many innocent have been or would be wrongfully executed. Those found guilty based on factual evidence - not circumstancial - should fry.
Also pedophiles should be executed under the same circumstance.

i agree, Certain criminals should die. But as said just make sure its was them that committed the crime. I trust cops and prosecutors about as much as the guys behind bars

[DanB]

paedophiles and rapists should have mandatory death penaltys I mean they fvck up dozens sometimes hundread people then get couple years then they out and ruin more lives and what about people who abuse/mistreat their kids?they just as bad in my book and should meet the same faith

[spywizard]

murder
pedo
rapist

Ya'll all believe they deserve death.. what about the rapist that wasn't a rapist, the person or circumstance where she says yes, but then says no after naked..

what about the pedo that is 19 and the girl is 17... (yes that's the law) and in the majority of society (world) 13 is a legal age

murder, what of the case where the person attacks you and you think you are going to die and you defend yourself and they die...


It's not just cut and dry now is it??

[scorpion62]

Eye for and Eye. If someone is guilty of murder; I dont mean just beyond a reasonable doubt but I mean it's obvious premeditated murder where there are whiteness, strong DNA evidence etc. then yes 100%

X2 Amen

[Matt]

Ive always been dead against the death penalty but after watching that video about the three boys and a hammer i get a little confused at what i really think.......

I can list a dozen or so people that have been executed in this country only for them to be found innocent years later....

Yes we have DNA but that can and has been manipulated. Many people have confessed to terrible crimes only for them to be cleared later beyond any doubt...

And just think about it this way..

We are killing a person because it shows them and others that its wrong to kill....

[SexySweetheart]

its the indivisual responsibility of the indivisual to know the law in their state/country, ignorance of the law is not a justification to violate it or the people it is in place to protect (no matter how stupid a perticualr law is)...

fyi, for those that may not know... no means no, no matter if its said after she accepts a drink from a guy or if both are naked and start to grind and than says no, ..she still said no. period. Any progression towards her after she says no is unwanted, threatening, violating her and will effect how she interracts with men from that point foreward.
In the USA under 18 is a minor, its the persons responsibilty to know or say pass if they can not be sure.
Self defence is not classified as murrder, but for arguments sake lets say it is...again personal accountabilty and responcibilty needs to be aknowledged.

we may/may not agree with the laws but we do have the responsibilty to accept the known consequeces if we DECIDE to brake them.

[gixxerboy1]

its the indivisual responsibility of the indivisual to know the law in their state/country, ignorance of the law is not a justification to violate it or the people it is in place to protect (no matter how stupid a perticualr law is)...

fyi, for those that may not know... no means no, no matter if its said after she accepts a drink from a guy or if both are naked and start to grind and than says no, ..she still said no. period. Any progression towards her after she says no is unwanted, threatening, violating her and will effect how she interracts with men from that point foreward.
In the USA under 18 is a minor, its the persons responsibilty to know or say pass if they can not be sure.
Self defence is not classified as murrder, but for arguments sake lets say it is...again personal accountabilty and responcibilty needs to be aknowledged.

we may/may not agree with the laws but we do have the responsibilty to accept the known consequeces if we DECIDE to brake them.

how about this situation. I meet a girl at a strip bar. She was dancing so she had to be 18. I've seen her out a bars after. 3 years later i start dating her. So she is 21? Her birthday is coming and she tells me she is going to be 18. So in the strip bar when i meet her she was 15. And this was at the biggest, well known, high end club in the city

[spywizard]

pedo...

[gixxerboy1]

I've been called worse

[spywizard]

or the case where a woman wants and tells you she wants to have sexual relations in a rough/rape scenario .. tapes it and says it's rape..

or a woman that is a prostitute and goes to a frat party then claims she was raped and attempts to extort money from the boys parents...

or a man that says to a woman.. we're going to my hotel to F**k... she goes with him then says no i don't want to..

yea, it's a swell world we live in..

gix.. you were deceived into committing a felony, what if she showed you a forged drivers license..

deception?? rape??

[gixxerboy1]

i guess i should have know something was up when she asked me to prom

[jimmyinkedup]

how about this situation. I meet a girl at a strip bar. She was dancing so she had to be 18. I've seen her out a bars after. 3 years later i start dating her. So she is 21? Her birthday is coming and she tells me she is going to be 18. So in the strip bar when i meet her she was 15. And this was at the biggest, well known, high end club in the city

Bastard - I told you to stay the fvck away from my little sister.......

[Swifto]

Pedo's, child killers and mass murder's should be killed IMHO.

There has to be overwhelming evidence against them, DNA, witnesses, more than we have now, to prevent someone innocent from being executed.

If ONE person has been executed in a country where they do that as a punishment, in my opinion, its wrong. ONE innocent life by the state is too much. So I guess I'm against it.

[Swifto]

No one know's what happens when you die. Do you go somewhere else? As that isnt a punishment in my opinion. If you no longer exist, you may have escaped punishment, or it oblivion could be the ultimate punishment. As no one knows what happens when one dies, how can it be a form of punishment?

[Shol'va]

I think there are circumstances that fit the need. Like Timothy McVeigh who said he's do it all again if given the opportunity. Didn't care who he killed.

[DeniZen]

If they give you the death penalty they should march your ass outside and immediately execute the sentence

[SexySweetheart]

baaahahaha
um sorry gixxer, no free pass on that, its still your responsibilty not an employers or bar to check for you/verify a thumbs to go (they are just responsible for their buisness and DESIDE to not follow up on licence/birth cert)

aaaahahahaha spywizzard 1. your mind goes places Im affraid of lol 2. i soon will see you as Magneto to my emma frost (comradas yet disagree on most topics )
"or the case where a woman wants and tells you she wants to have sexual relations in a rough/rape scenario .. tapes it and says it's rape.." well thats just horrible, but to be honest if the court found him guilty (which btw rearly happins with rape cases even with mountains of proof) it would def be an unfortuante event for the poor guy...but arent there casualties in all forms of justice? including our current? would it be worth a few casualties to have a safer/emotional healthyer sociaty that has new funds directed to other programs? IMO ~yes.

or a woman that is a prostitute and goes to a frat party then claims she was raped and attempts to extort money from the boys parents... arent prostitutes illeagl? this stuff is a possibilty and the poor guys know they are braking the law and doin shaddy stuff, that comes with shaddy people...no pitty here

or a man that says to a woman.. we're going to my hotel to F**k... she goes with him then says no i don't want to.. i heard from this sentance "than says NO I DONT WANT TO" soooo whats the question again? lol
yea, it's a swell world we live in..

gix.. you were deceived into committing a felony, what if she showed you a forged drivers license.. wouldnt the court tho it out than?" employer was fooled/ bar was fooled as well,sounds like a good defencein court for poor old gixxer ... but realy were talking about someone that was around 17/18years old if its too young to tell its not done cooking, dont touch it.

if we knew the punishment for getting caught doing hanious crims was to be exported to antartica...Im pretty sure the people with shades of gray in their lives would make clear step to the side of decidion that dont envolve antartica ... and we would see less of the above.

[JD250]

Screw the death penalty, bring back chain gangs and house those bastards in an old warehouse surrounded by razor wire, sleeping in leg chains and bustin rocks or diggin holes and fillin em back in for the next 50 years and that's just what I would do with all the liberal judges and all the lawyers........I have worse things in mind for bad cops and other criminals like murderers and rapist.

[zaggahamma]

Eye for and Eye. If someone is guilty of murder; I dont mean just beyond a reasonable doubt but I mean it's obvious premeditated murder where there are whiteness, strong DNA evidence etc. then yes 100%

this

[gixxerboy1]

baaahahaha
um sorry gixxer, no free pass on that, its still your responsibilty not an employers or bar to check for you/verify a thumbs to go (they are just responsible for their buisness and DESIDE to not follow up on licence/birth cert)



gix.. you were deceived into committing a felony, what if she showed you a forged drivers license.. wouldnt the court tho it out than?" employer was fooled/ bar was fooled as well,sounds like a good defencein court for poor old gixxer ... but realy were talking about someone that was around 17/18years old if its too young to tell its not done cooking, dont touch it.

she fooled everyone. To be a stripper you have to be 18 and prove it to the club. And at this club your a independent contractor so you have to get licenced by the city and fooled them, I'm sure the fake tata's didnt hurt.

[l2elapse]

some of you have to agree that the death penalty is an easy way out for crimes committed...sometimes serving life sentences is a much more enduring pain

[zaggahamma]

some of you have to agree that the death penalty is an easy way out for crimes committed...sometimes serving life sentences is a much more enduring pain

this is how i feel too...

georgia put one down yesterday

[dec11]

kill 'em all. the world would be a better place

[dec11]

some of you have to agree that the death penalty is an easy way out for crimes committed...sometimes serving life sentences is a much more enduring pain

yeah, but tax payers pay for that life sentence

[Shol'va]

yeah, but tax payers pay for that life sentence

This was in 2007

The Boston Globe
US prisons full, but crime, cost to taxpayers soar
Researchers urge shorter sentences, major overhaul
Crowding and inadequate medical facilities plague San Quentin State Prison in California. Among recommendations yesterday, a report called for alternative punishments, decriminalization for recreational drugs, and more help for released inmates. Crowding and inadequate medical facilities plague San Quentin State Prison in California. Among recommendations yesterday, a report called for alternative punishments, decriminalization for recreational drugs, and more help for released inmates. (JIM WILSON/THE NEW YORK TIMES/FILE)
Email|Print| Text size – + By Randall Mikkelsen
Reuters / November 20, 2007

WASHINGTON - The number of people in US prisons has risen eightfold since 1970, with little impact on crime but at great cost to taxpayers and society, researchers said yesterday in a report calling for a major justice-system overhaul.

The report cites examples ranging from former vice-presidential aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby to a Florida woman's two-year sentence for throwing a cup of coffee to make its case for reducing the US prison population of 2.2 million - nearly one-fourth of the world's total.

It recommends shorter sentences and parole terms, alternative punishments, more help for released inmates, and decriminalizing recreational drugs as steps to cut the prison population in half, save $20 billion a year, and ease social inequality without endangering the public.

But the recommendations run counter to decades of broad US public and political support for getting tough on criminals through longer, harsher prison terms. They also are in opposition to the Bush administration's antidrug and strict-sentencing policies.

"President Bush was right" in commuting Libby's perjury sentence this year as excessive, the report says. "But while he was at it, President Bush should have commuted the sentences of hundreds of thousands of Americans who each year have also received prison sentences for crimes that pose little if any danger or harm to our society."

The report was produced by the JFA Institute, a Washington criminal-justice research group, and its authors included eight criminologists from major US public universities. It was funded by the Rosenbaum Foundation and financier and political activist George Soros's Open Society Institute.

The US Department of Justice did not have an immediate comment on the report. But the Bush administration has previously resisted proposals to relax sentencing guidelines.

There are signs of shifting attitudes on sentencing policies. Some financially strapped states are shortening sentences, and Congress is moving toward bipartisan passage of increased help for released prisoners, said executive director Marc Mauer of the Sentencing Project, which has advocated alternatives to long sentences.

"Compared to where we were in the [mid-1990s], it's been a very significant change," Mauer said.

More than 1.5 million people are now in US state and federal prisons, up from 196,429 in 1970, the report said. Another 750,000 people are in local jails. The US incarceration rate is the world's highest, followed by Russia, according to 2006 figures compiled by Kings College in London.

Since 1970, the US population has risen 50 percent overall.

Although the US crime rate began declining in the 1990s it is still about the same as in 1973, the JFA report said. But the prison population has soared because sentences have gotten longer and people who violate parole or probation, even with minor lapses, are more likely to be imprisoned.

"The system is almost feeding on itself now. It takes years and years and years to get out of this system, and we do not see any positive impact on the crime rates," James Austin, president of the JFA and a coauthor of the report, said at a news conference.

The report said the prison population is projected to grow by another 192,000 in five years, at a cost of $27.5 billion to build and operate additional prisons.

At current rates, one-third of all black males, one-sixth of Latino males, and one in 17 white males will go to prison during their lives.

Women represent the fastest-growing segment of the prison population, the report said. The result is increased social and racial inequality.

"The massive incarceration of young males from mostly poor- and working-class neighborhoods, and the taking of women from their families and jobs, [have] crippled their potential for forming healthy families and achieving economic gains," the report said.
© Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company.

[Matt]

some of you have to agree that the death penalty is an easy way out for crimes committed...sometimes serving life sentences is a much more enduring pain

This is a very good point imo...

During my last stay at Buckley Hall which is a C cat jail i spoke to many lifers, they tend to end up there in the later years of their sentence and honestly you'd be surprised how many would have accepted the death penalty....

I know for a fact that if i was given a life sentence, especially when im about to hit 40, (i mean 21 for any young women reading this) then suicide would be my only option. Theres just no way i'd sit and rot in jail.....

When im watching a film and im getting right into it and say theres a bad guy who's done some evil shitty things then i don't want him to be shot dead at the end, i want to see him brought to justice and spend many many years paying for what he did....

Henry and Albert Perrpoint the British executioners both said that almost all the people they executed went to the gallows without fuss, the few that they did say protested where later found to be innocent...

[Flagg]

To echo what SpyWizard said, look at this:
http://news.uk.msn.com/world/inmate-...-failed-appeal

This man (Troy Davis) has spent 22 years on deathrow and was finally executed this morning. Despite witness' saying he was innocent, despite the majority of the jury disputing some or all the evidence, he was not given a re-trial and was executed.

A lot of people are saying an innocent man has been murdered. Is that justice? Once you take a life, it can never be undone again.

It's easy for people to scream "death penalty", until it's someone you know and care about, in the frame.

[Ernst]

I do support the death penalty, and I don't think it is used nearly enough!

[gixxerboy1]

To echo what SpyWizard said, look at this:
http://news.uk.msn.com/world/inmate-...-failed-appeal

This man (Troy Davis) has spent 22 years on deathrow and was finally executed this morning. Despite witness' saying he was innocent, despite the majority of the jury disputing some or all the evidence, he was not given a re-trial and was executed.

A lot of people are saying an innocent man has been murdered. Is that justice? Once you take a life, it can never be undone again.

It's easy for people to scream "death penalty", until it's someone you know and care about, in the frame.

take this for all its worth. I dont know alot of the facts of the case just whats on the news the last week. But when all the evidence was fresh in the jurors minds and that's all they were thinking about they thought he was guilty. Now many years later they think otherwise. It sounds to me more that the reality that someone they found guilty is about to be executed and their conscious may be getting to them

[kalspic]

i wonder how public hangings would affect the crime rate? do you think it would do anything?

[Shol'va]

i wonder how public hangings would affect the crime rate? do you think it would do anything?

Maybe the threat of death row prisoner organ harvesting might

[Matt]

i wonder how public hangings would affect the crime rate? do you think it would do anything?

Would make absolutely no difference whats so ever...

[Alphatier]

murder
pedo
rapist

Ya'll all believe they deserve death.. what about the rapist that wasn't a rapist, the person or circumstance where she says yes, but then says no after naked..

what about the pedo that is 19 and the girl is 17... (yes that's the law) and in the majority of society (world) 13 is a legal age

murder, what of the case where the person attacks you and you think you are going to die and you defend yourself and they die...


It's not just cut and dry now is it??

This!

Ive always been dead against the death penalty but after watching that video about the three boys and a hammer i get a little confused at what i really think.......

I can list a dozen or so people that have been executed in this country only for them to be found innocent years later....

Yes we have DNA but that can and has been manipulated. Many people have confessed to terrible crimes only for them to be cleared later beyond any doubt...

And just think about it this way..

We are killing a person because it shows them and others that its wrong to kill....

Oh, the irony. I like how you put it down, it's a shame really that there is a death penalty.

How many pigs should have been executed by now? Never heard of a cop getting a death penalty.

[RZGP]

i wonder how public hangings would affect the crime rate? do you think it would do anything?

i would think it could make a differance

[BIGTANK1960]

I THINK only peodophiles should get the death penalty