Let's talk about your nuts.

[Thunderforge]

Hi,

So out of all the variables with aas sides and how they effect people, some suffering others dodging the bullet, the one that seems pretty constant is atrophy. I'd be curious to know how people have fared with this. I realize HCG makes this a non issue, however, not everyone runs HCG.

What's your experience been like?
What did you run?
How long until they boys went on strike?
What was your PCT?
How long till the boys went back to work?
Do you get that "kicked in the nuts" feeling?

[ScotchGuard02]

You cycle, your nuts shrink, you PCT, they come back. I guess I don't worry about it that much.

[Joemace]

Plus side of your balls shrinking it makes it easier to shave and the women love smooth balls. Result

[Thunderforge]

You cycle, your nuts shrink, you PCT, they come back. I guess I don't worry about it that much.

I guess I'm curious because I'm just now running my first cycle and don't already have the experience to draw on. Mt experience so far has been very positive but at 4 weeks into it I haven't seen any atrophy yet. Wondering if that's a sign my gear may be under dosed or if I'm just being impatient. I have no real reference. Not that I'm exactly looking forward to it but it would be an undeniable sign that it's working. In truth though, I can see the results in the mirror and in the gym now so I'm not too concerned. Just that noobish impatience, stepping into an arena you have not personally experienced yet, trying to pick the brains of the guys that have already been there. =)

[Blergs]

You cycle, your nuts shrink, you PCT, they come back. I guess I don't worry about it that much.

agreed.
sure you may take longer to recover but for the normal cycle its really not a must, but would help. year long cycles or using prog based steroids that tend to shut you down harder i would rec HCG the last 5 or so weeks of cycle leading upto but NOT into PCT.
I persoanlly dont use it and i go from cycle to HRT, sure they shrunk, but thats ok i dont care, less sperm, more control and less chance, its what I preferr. if i feel like it one day ill run small cycles of HCG to bring them back. but really to em it dosent matter, make sno diff to me.

[spywizard]

there are HCG oral alternatives, but are not as effective as the inject able.. and yes i've run an oral on a test/var cycle and it was effective, but now as much as injectable..

[Blergs]

I guess I'm curious because I'm just now running my first cycle and don't already have the experience to draw on. Mt experience so far has been very positive but at 4 weeks into it I haven't seen any atrophy yet. Wondering if that's a sign my gear may be under dosed or if I'm just being impatient. I have no real reference. Not that I'm exactly looking forward to it but it would be an undeniable sign that it's working. In truth though, I can see the results in the mirror and in the gym now so I'm not too concerned. Just that noobish impatience, stepping into an arena you have not personally experienced yet, trying to pick the brains of the guys that have already been there. =)

there are ALOT of factors to consider though,
some it may take weeks some it may take months on cycle to notice, some may not even notice a thing down there with there cycle, others may notice it early on.
so no it dont mean your gear is bunk.
i can assure you if you stay on for a year you should notice SOMEKIND of shrinkag, but i DO NOT rec staying on cycle that long of course.

Good luck man! its refreshing so see someone bothering to do their home work BEFORE they run into issues and start asking.

[gearbox]

hcg is so cheap I would just run it during cycle if your worried about it

[jasc]

there are HCG oral alternatives, but are not as effective as the inject able.. and yes i've run an oral on a test/var cycle and it was effective, but now as much as injectable..

Are you referring to those hcg drops? I was under the impression they wouldn't work for atrophy, but don't know anyone who has used them for this reason personally.

nope, it was in pill form...

anavar will not stop wasting from t3 use, it will slow it but will not stop it.. test/anavar will stop wasting from t3 use.. hope that clears it up..

[Thunderforge]

Thanks guys. I'm not terribly concerned about it happening. Just wondered about the time frame with different compounds, how long to see it happen and if it was pretty much a given that it would if you didn't run hcg.
Appreciate all the info, I realize it's a highly individual experience and subject to a lot of variable.

[oatmeal69]

hcg is so cheap I would just run it during cycle if your worried about it

X2
I like Swifto's take too. If you have HCG available, why not use it. Even if you don't care aesthetically (I don't) keeping as close to natural homeostasis(?) as practical seems like good advice.

[BBrian]

Out of several cycles of all shapes and sizes I think I've only ever noticed my balls shrinking once, and that was towards the very end of a cycle with test and deca. But they were atrophied all the same, so I'm a firm believer that shrinkage is not an accurate indicator of atrophy whatsoever.

[ghettoboyd]

I guess I'm curious because I'm just now running my first cycle and don't already have the experience to draw on. Mt experience so far has been very positive but at 4 weeks into it I haven't seen any atrophy yet. Wondering if that's a sign my gear may be under dosed or if I'm just being impatient. I have no real reference. Not that I'm exactly looking forward to it but it would be an undeniable sign that it's working. In truth though, I can see the results in the mirror and in the gym now so I'm not too concerned. Just that noobish impatience, stepping into an arena you have not personally experienced yet, trying to pick the brains of the guys that have already been there. =)

everyone goes through this there first cycle cus you dont really know what to look for untill you have experianced it...i remember thinking my gear was bunk cus i expected too much from it but in ther end the scale and the mirror dosent lie...for the record my nuts dont shrink even on test and tren, my hair dosent fall out...i do get unbelievebly horny so thats how i know its real the first few weeks, then the results start to show....

[Thunderforge]

Out of several cycles of all shapes and sizes I think I've only ever noticed my balls shrinking once, and that was towards the very end of a cycle with test and deca. But they were atrophied all the same, so I'm a firm believer that shrinkage is not an accurate indicator of atrophy whatsoever.

Interesting! More so because that's the same compounds I'm running too.Thanks for the input.

[Dmitri Diablo]

So when nuts shrink... does everything still work properly?! I've already been fixed, so no more kids for me. But if the wife tries to get some, is my junk gonna work?! lol

Obviously I haven't been on a cycle yet.

[oatmeal69]

Oh, it'll work alright. I've been fixed too. Definitely noticed some shrinkage last time. (HCG on current cycle will prevent) But if you're on Test, your wife will be hiding from you after a while.

[Iamdetermined]

I like almonds

[Sicko]

I like almonds

Now that is atrophy ...

[FONZY007]

Plus side of your balls shrinking it makes it easier to shave and the women love smooth balls. Result

Plus a 9 oz steak always looks bigger next to two small red potatos

[Blergs]

Are you referring to those hcg drops? I was under the impression they wouldn't work for atrophy, but don't know anyone who has used them for this reason personally.

nope, it was in pill form...
anavar will not stop wasting from t3 use, it will slow it but will not stop it.. test/anavar will stop wasting from t3 use.. hope that clears it up..

those HCG drops for fat loss ?!? i seen that ad too , pure BS.
there is a product called HCGenerate that i CAN vouch for, atleast they tell you what the F is in it. i used it during my HRT and i saw an increase of size so it did somthing, I only gave it a chance because i already use there (NTBM) products and was happy, my fav is Need2slin and i also like the protein.
anyway im sure its not as good as HCG but HCGenerate did work for me on my hrt, so for a mild cycle or if you cant get HCG i would rec it.

[Blergs]

So when nuts shrink... does everything still work properly?! I've already been fixed, so no more kids for me. But if the wife tries to get some, is my junk gonna work?! lol

Obviously I haven't been on a cycle yet.

Yes, I have been on HRT for about 5 yrs now and i go from cycle to HRT (back to 200mg teste ew (higher end i know) and i can tell you i have purposly let them shrink, i see it as a birth control aid, (NOTE YOU CAN GET a GIRL PREG ON CYCLE SO THIS IS NOT 100% sure) but it helps. and my GF dont mind, better for both of us.
my point? there probibly as shrunk as there gonna get after 4-5 years now and every thign works the same, i want sex every day HAHAHA. and i do it well, so there is no issues.\but i have used for eg a OTC HCG type product and also HCG once for the hell of it about 1 year ago. its plumpped them up.
so i guess dont worry about it unless your tryign to have a baby or your with a girl or girls that may mind or say something.

also if you did get some ED issues there is always research chemicals for lab study , while you recover, to help. viagra, or even one i like its a bark called yohimbine.
that will give GREAT pumps for workouts and act like viagra.

[songdog]

Never had the problem and I dont run HCG and I run tren.But I will in the future.