Tbol or Winny

[keano]

I have some Anavar I received and am going to do a cycle with. Not looking for that huge look. Looking to add some quality muscle. 6lbs I would be happy with. also lower body fat %. No water weight.

I am 5'9", 176 that is with a prosthetic below my knee bare that in mind.

I tried Winstrol when I was in my 20's and actually it did well with me.

I have some questions though.

1. I know anavar is quite safe. Would I need something after it to retain gains?

2. Winstrol I know work decently for me yet is cheaper. But I know this is more prone with the DHT (male pattern baldness). Is there something to combat this? and also same quesiton do I need to take something after cycle to retain? Bring test back up?

3. Same question goes for Tbol as in #2. I have heard good things about this also.

[Tarheel]

are you going to use the var with your winny or t bol? I would use the t bol if it were me. We seem to have the same goals based on what you wrote....it would stack better w the var than winstrol would IMHO. just a thought

[keano]

No I am only going to use Anavar since I have it alone. Not looking to stack. Wouldn't stacking two orals be much harsher on the liver?

Is Tbol better overall then Winny or Anavar ?

[BREW-MAN]

i love winny 100mgs ed ,most here wil say you need test with it but i find it no problem alone ,var is good but expencive and i have never used tbol.

WINNY IS GREAT.

[keano]

Thanks for responses. When doing any of these do you need to do a PCT? Also I know that Winny can cause hair loss. What is recommended to combat this. I am not familiar at all with Pct from oral cycle etc.

Also regarding diet where I am at right now is I am trying to lose and have lost 7lbs so far. Nice to wear old shirts again. So I want to keep losing but (at least the body fat) and kind of retain some muscle.

[CHUCKYthentic]

i say negative on the winny. one member on here was recently on winny alone and couldnt get an erection

anavar would be good for what you are trying to do. you will need a lot considering IMO you need to run 60-80mg per day

as for pct, yes it will be good to run a very mild one. either nolvadex or clomid, not both one or the other. some will say nolva some will say clomid. you need to do your research here and decide which you feel is best. pct should only need to be about 3 weeks

how long and at what dose do you plan on running the var?

what is your current bf%?

[Necrosaro]

I ran a 40mg of anavar and 40mg of t-bol and went from 175-185. This cycle was done for 7 weeks and also did PCT of Clomid 100mgs the first week and 50mgs the last week.

Personaly experience I don't think I will use anavar again due to the fact that it hurt my joints but I did love the t-bol!

[keano]

I don't actually know my true bf%. I read calipers are not accurate. Trainer did a thing where u hold something shoots a shockwave through u it said 18%.

Planning on 40mg-60mg for 6-7 weeks.

Necrosaro that seems like an interesting mix. Any benefit with mixing those?
Did you keep the gains? Bloat?

[keano]

BTW is Aromasin better then clomid? I know gyno is no worry with var.

[CHUCKYthentic]

aromasin is an AI
clomid is a SERM

2 diff compounds. you re not gonna need aromasin with anavar

[keano]

I decided to go with tbol since seems close enough to var and safer then winny after reading up. I will take Liv for liver just in case, and month of clomid after cycle. Going to do 8 weeks. I got some var, 100tabs at 10mg each don't know if I should mix?

[CHUCKYthentic]

na man, save the var for another time and get more

as for the tbol, not sure if u should run it that long, but let someone else chime in on that...

run your liver support after the tbol, no sense in doing it while on the tbol

[tboney]

BTW is Aromasin better then clomid? I know gyno is no worry with var.

Try toremifen.... It is very effective in starting back the hpta.

[big_k]

I don't actually know my true bf%. I read calipers are not accurate. Trainer did a thing where u hold something shoots a shockwave through u it said 18%.

Planning on 40mg-60mg for 6-7 weeks.

Necrosaro that seems like an interesting mix. Any benefit with mixing those?
Did you keep the gains? Bloat?

calipers can give you a decent idea if you know how to do it properly, what he did was test your bioelectric impedence, those can be somewhat accurate although there are a lot of pre-test protocols that many do not follow, ie, fluid consumption.

[keano]

i can't find toremifen where I buy unless it has another name. Is it equal or better then clomid?

[keano]

I ran a 40mg of anavar and 40mg of t-bol and went from 175-185. This cycle was done for 7 weeks and also did PCT of Clomid 100mgs the first week and 50mgs the last week.

Necrosaro where you able to retain you gains? I heard gains with Winny, Anavar, Tbol are usually kept. Are there any tips on retaining?

Anyone familiar with primobolan tabs? I know it has no affect on liver and is very mild.

[Necrosaro]

My gains where great for my first cycle. I kept probably 90 percent of it after a proper pct and still working out.

[urbanbody]

I love Turinabol it works great at 80mgs ed. Big said Var and Tbol are great together so you might wanna try that even though its 2 orals var is very mild.

[keano]

I actually have some anavar too.

Guys I always get confused about something...

1. I know estrogenic side effects mean gyno and water retention.
2. If something does not aromatize does that mean it doesn't turn into DHT. Meaning less concerns about male pattern baldness.
3. A steroid that is low androgenic is means it means you will avoid what side effects exactly?

Thanks

[keano]

Sorry one things if doing tbol for 6 weeks at 40-60 a day. Should I spread it out through day? Night and Day? Or 3X through day? Does it matter? Before or after workout?

Thanks!