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[MickeyKnox]

seen my doc this morning for trt shot 200mg cyp once per month. but i have turned this sad trt into a cycle. so i have been injecting 500mg/wk for the past 9 wks. scheduled blood work isn't suppose to be for another month and a half. however doc springs a blood test on me and says get er done in the next 3 wks!?

initial testing showed test levels around 200/6.9(USA/CAN)

200mg cyp once a month is ridiculous but if my bloods don't show low test levels my doc will think 200mg/month is fine. test cyp only last around 18 days??

question: based on above info, what is the best avenue (pct) to take to ensure my bloods are baseline or close to it?

46 year old male.

[zaggahamma]

change title to confusing confusing confusing

despite the grammar sounding like you accumulated but not injected the 500mg ew since your asking is it safe to say you have been injecting 500mg weekly?

3 weeks is plenty time to have your "baseline" numbers low again WITHOUT any "pct"...just dont inject again til after bloodwork

[MickeyKnox]

change title to confusing confusing confusing

despite the grammar sounding like you accumulated but not injected the 500mg ew since your asking is it safe to say you have been injecting 500mg weekly?

3 weeks is plenty time to have your "baseline" numbers low again WITHOUT any "pct"...just dont inject again til after bloodwork

i stand corrected. thanks. i knew what i meant but the fingers didn't agree..lol

after bloods do you feel i can continue for another three weeks at 500/wk to complete my cycle?

[bass]

what JPK said! let us know what he results are, curious to see if three weeks are enough to be completely depleted.

[Vettester]

Agree, it's a bit confusing. Mickey, what I think you wanted to say is that you've been "Blasting" the extra amount, not so much as a "cycle." It's just a better term when a person is on TRT. Same on the PCT. The purpose of a PCT is to restore the HPTA to function normally, as it did before starting a cycle. However, on TRT, a PCT in non-existent, as you should already be permanently shutdown.

Also agree that 3 weeks will be enough time to get to baseline or real close thereof. Your doctor is a loon with having you on that type of protocol, but it's not helping matters any better by going to the other extreme by running a blast of that magnitude before getting your program dialed in. Hope you managed your E2 properly during this increase, and realize that your CBC's might be effected as well.

[zaggahamma]

ok...he's corrected it

before i was so discombobulated by your op that i just now noticed you said you are getting

ONE 200MG INJECTION PER MONTH!!!

GEEZ WUT A FVKCING FVCKTARD!

1. how long have you been prescribed a monthly shot?

2,3. and if you have to GO INTO THE OFFICE to get the shot...how the fvck did you accumulate the other test? did u leave something out?

either way, based on you doing what u said you did....
4,5. what gains have you seen in these 9 weeks from the 500mg ...and from questions 1-3 is the 500mg including the 200mg per month?

6,7. why wouldnt you be able to inject 3 more weeks after the bloodwork? cuz cycles are 12 weeks?

8. whose advice did you act on to run the 500mg ew?

9. what did said advisor(s) say about running the remaining 3 weeks?

10. r u going to answer all my questions?

[HRTstudent]

seen my doc this morning for trt shot 200mg cyp once per month. but i have turned this sad trt into a cycle. so i have been injecting 500mg/wk for the past 9 wks. scheduled blood work isn't suppose to be for another month and a half. however doc springs a blood test on me and says get er done in the next 3 wks!?

initial testing showed test levels around 200/6.9(USA/CAN)

200mg cyp once a month is ridiculous but if my bloods don't show low test levels my doc will think 200mg/month is fine. test cyp only last around 18 days??

question: based on above info, what is the best avenue (pct) to take to ensure my bloods are baseline or close to it?

46 year old male.

Why would he suprise you with a new blood test date? That seems very odd... For me, I simply get blood drawn on whatever day I want after the labs have been ordered.

Also, if your doc set you up for 200mg TC once per month... umm I wouldn't even bother going back. WHy are earth would you go back to a doctor who is so blatantly ignorant of TC that it borders on negligence? You are not in good hands with this fool.

That's a very serious question I'm asking you too...

[zaggahamma]

for some reason i keep forgetting to mention that

i dont know if thats a new thing with some of these doctors...but every once in a while a few members report...surprise bloodwork...like they are playing major league baseball or something....i would just do the bloodwork when i was told originally or like hrt said...WHEN I WANT TO

[gixxerboy1]

for some reason i keep forgetting to mention that

i dont know if thats a new thing with some of these doctors...but every once in a while a few members report...surprise bloodwork...like they are playing major league baseball or something....i would just do the bloodwork when i was told originally or like hrt said...WHEN I WANT TO

i can see the dr changing when to get blood work. Especially if he is doing 500mg a week and his body is changing drastically. Dr may want ot see what is up and not wait months to check. That would be smarter in my eyes for the dr to do.

[bullshark99]

^^^^^^Agreed, I'm just a litle confused with what you are trying to accomplish. I'm far from a MD but anybody that spent any amount of time on this board or education in general in this arena will shake their head at "Once per month" regardless of the amount??? What are you really trying to accomplish MK????? Something just not adding up to me?

[HRTstudent]

i can see the dr changing when to get blood work. Especially if he is doing 500mg a week and his body is changing drastically. Dr may want ot see what is up and not wait months to check. That would be smarter in my eyes for the dr to do.

that's a fair point... maybe the OP is holding a ton of water!

but otherwise, I would expect someone who is newly on TRT to be gaining muscle and improving their physique.

Regardless, this guy is an idiot for doing TC once a month... and 200mg no less... you're wasting your time and trust me it's not good! Ive been there!

[MickeyKnox]

i should have placed this question in my original TRT thread where i outlined my trt and my "blasting". that's my fault and apologize for that.

my TRT started out every two wks at 200mg TC. but doc only gave me three shots...then extended the time in between to four weeks. today was my first four wk shot. after the shot he asked if there have been any sides or changes or if had been in any fights??. lol..so i said that i felt better for about 2 wks after last shot and then crashed because i want him to at least put me on 200mg TC every two wks, not once a month. he responded by saying he wants blood work 5 days before the next monthly shot (approx 3 wks from now).

i have not grown drastically. i put on maybe ten pounds and my strength has increased. nothing scary, but i'm happy so far with the results. and little or no water gain. im still a tall and relatively lean guy. 15%bf or less i figure.

i've been blasting since feb 23rd after my test came back at exactly 199. my additional test came from my source.

everything is going well, other than my doc not really knowing what he is doing. but i have to stay with him for other non related reasons. when he puts me on bi-weekly injections or fails to do that, i will see an endo and move on.

very important note: i was beginning my own 12 wk cycle back at the end of Feb regardless of the original test results. perhaps this why my cycle/blast sounds so convoluted. hope this clears up some of the mystery.

and the reason i asked if i can continue for 3 wks after blood s is because that is what i have left for my original cycle/blast. i've been blasting for 9 wks.

thanks for all the input, sorry for the confusion.

[doc w]

Do what my patients do when I try to have them comply with something. Don't show up then give some bugus excuse your ride didn't show up and that dirt on the bottom of your cast was not from walking it; Hint of sarcasm

[HRTstudent]

Well, honestly if you're going on TRT for quality of life I think you're going about it all wrong. Poor doctor, what seems like underground testosterone, and no real set protocol.

What are your goals with TRT?

[MickeyKnox]

Do what my patients do when I try to have them comply with something. Don't show up then give some bugus excuse your ride didn't show up and that dirt on the bottom of your cast was not from walking it; Hint of sarcasm

i dont think that would fly..lol but funny though..

Well, honestly if you're going on TRT for quality of life I think you're going about it all wrong. Poor doctor, what seems like underground testosterone, and no real set protocol.

What are your goals with TRT?

yeah that ug test sure is a bummer eh? lol

[doc w]

I think u either need to get a new doctor or convince him to increase frequency With home injections.

[zaggahamma]

i dont think that would fly..lol but funny though..



yeah that ug test sure is a bummer eh? lol

why wouldnt it fly?

[MickeyKnox]

I think u either need to get a new doctor or convince him to increase frequency With home injections.

i should have placed this question in my original TRT thread where i outlined my trt and my "blasting". that's my fault and apologize for that.

my TRT started out every two wks at 200mg TC. but doc only gave me three shots...then extended the time in between to four weeks. today was my first four wk shot. after the shot he asked if there have been any sides or changes or if had been in any fights??. lol..so i said that i felt better for about 2 wks after last shot and then crashed because i want him to at least put me on 200mg TC every two wks, not once a month. he responded by saying he wants blood work 5 days before the next monthly shot (approx 3 wks from now).

i have not grown drastically. i put on maybe ten pounds and my strength has increased. nothing scary, but i'm happy so far with the results. and little or no water gain. im still a tall and relatively lean guy. 15%bf or less i figure.

i've been blasting since feb 23rd after my test came back at exactly 199. my additional test came from my source.

everything is going well, other than my doc not really knowing what he is doing. but i have to stay with him for other non related reasons. when he puts me on bi-weekly injections or fails to do that, i will see an endo and move on.

very important note: i was beginning my own 12 wk cycle back at the end of Feb regardless of the original test results. perhaps this why my cycle/blast sounds so convoluted. hope this clears up some of the mystery.

and the reason i asked if i can continue for 3 wks after blood s is because that is what i have left for my original cycle/blast. i've been blasting for 9 wks.

thanks for all the input, sorry for the confusion.

i agree doc..read bolds..

[MickeyKnox]

why wouldnt it fly?

i doubt the ol' 'my dog ate my homework' excuse wouldn't cut it with my doctor..

[doc w]

Keeping track of ur every move. Sounds more like a wife than ur doctor

[MickeyKnox]

^^ hahaha...touche'