Lost all my gains, WTF?

[bigguy44]

Hey all...

Stats

age 27
5'8
169lbs

I finished up a cycle of Test cyp 500 mgs a week and EQ 500mgs a week. 16 week cycle about 3 months ago. Everything was going great. Very little sides. Gains started really popping up around week 8. After finishing up cycle I followed PCT TO. THE. T. No lag in my sexual performance, no typical signs of any problems whatsoever. I was eating everything in sight!!! My calorie intake was always hovering in the 3400-3600 range. But then poof! My gains disappeared. The water weight I knew would come off. But I went from a SOLID 190 to now current weight 168. I kept nothing besides the size in my legs. Is it just a time thing? Keep hitting the gym and stay positive? It was legit gear. That surely wasnt the issue. Just kind of puzzled. Putting on size obviously takes time but wtf!?!

Anyways, any feedback you can throw my way would be great! Thanks

[atrainwright]

What was your pct? Also 3400 cals is lunch, you need more, prob more protein too, something like 300 grams a day to grow.

[gonzo6183]

Obviously diet is your issure, eating everything in site is not the way to maintain/gain muscle mass and IF you were eating 3400-3600cal a day (did you actually count calories and macros?) its not enough for your body

[Swifto]

Post your daily diet and be honest...

[Swifto]

I will say this though...

When you weight 190lbs, you have to eat like a 190lb'er. If you're still eating like you're 170lbs but on steroids you will gain weight due to steroids increasing growth factors, nutrient partioning, protein synthesis, increasing nitrogen retention, etc... So take those steroids away and you will be back where you were before.

[gonzo6183]

I will say this though...

When you weight 190lbs, you have to eat like a 190lb'er. If you're still eating like you're 170lbs but on steroids you will gain weight due to steroids increasing growth factors, nutrient partioning, protein synthesis, increasing nitrogen retention, etc... So take those steroids away and you will be back where you were before.

Exactly the same thing as 90% of people that take AAS, this WILL be your issue

[The Bear 79]

After finishing up cycle I followed PCT TO. THE. T.

What was your pct? Also 3400 cals is lunch, you need more, prob more protein too, something like 300 grams a day to grow.

Guys, you gotta get away from this, "if you do a proper PCT, you wont lose your gains" BS. PCT has nothing to do with it, its all in your diet & training, if those two components arent properly tuned, you could run a PCT that would impress Swifto, but you still wont keep any gains. And btw, if you're eating 3400 cals in one meal, your stats should be somewhere around 10 - 11 feet tall, & 450 - 500 lbs. Not everyone needs 5000 cals a day to make gains.

[SMcB]

Are you an ectomorph? What is your bodyfat %? How many years have you been training before going on this past cycle? There is a chance that you could be at your natural limit so anything gained from gear will eventually be lost. Everyone always points to diet, but I'm going to point to training. You have to adjust your training when you go off cycle. You won't be able to push as much weight or recover as quickly so you'll have to adjust your training if you haven't already done so. Be sure you cut back on the volume and intensity when you're off cycle, or you'll end up overtraining.

[coliinxd]

Are you an ectomorph? What is your bodyfat %? How many years have you been training before going on this past cycle? There is a chance that you could be at your natural limit so anything gained from gear will eventually be lost. Everyone always points to diet, but I'm going to point to training. You have to adjust your training when you go off cycle. You won't be able to push as much weight or recover as quickly so you'll have to adjust your training if you haven't already done so. Be sure you cut back on the volume and intensity when you're off cycle, or you'll end up overtraining.

If heard many say decrease volume but up the intensity. That you really gotta push it for 45 minutes tops and get out, and eat.

[bigguy44]

hey sorry took so long to reply... Work schedule blows...

Ok so daily diet while I was on was this...

Meal 1 - 10 egg whites, 3 with yoke, two servings of oats.
Meal 2 - 50 gram protein shake with one serving oats.
Meal 3 - 8 oz chicken breast 6 oz sweet potato broccolli or green beans
Meal 4 - 8 oz chicken breast 6 oz sweet potato
Meal 5 - 8 oz steak and brown rice. Green beans

Along with diet I was taking a multi twice a day.
gallon and a half of water a day.
Cheat meal every two weeks.
I will admit though that I would miss a meal here and there.

My PCT was mirrored swifto's post.

[funkymonk]

hey sorry took so long to reply... Work schedule blows...

Ok so daily diet while I was on was this...

Meal 1 - 10 egg whites, 3 with yoke, two servings of oats.
Meal 2 - 50 gram protein shake with one serving oats.
Meal 3 - 8 oz chicken breast 6 oz sweet potato broccolli or green beans
Meal 4 - 8 oz chicken breast 6 oz sweet potato
Meal 5 - 8 oz steak and brown rice. Green beans

Along with diet I was taking a multi twice a day.
gallon and a half of water a day.
Cheat meal every two weeks.
I will admit though that I would miss a meal here and there.

My PCT was mirrored swifto's post.

That is far from 3400 calories. I'll round up.

Meal 1-750 (7*30 + 3*70 + 2*150)
Meal 2-400 (200 + 1*150)
Meal 3-400 (200 + 150 + 500ish)
Meal 4-350 (200 + 150)
Meal 5-no idea what type of steak and how much rice, but your estimated total to this point is under 2k.

Also, do you have pre and post cycle bloodwork?

[t-dogg]

Diet is way off! Everyone is spot on.

[ISU152]

I will admit though that I would miss a meal here and there.

Bingo. You most likely miss quite a few

[DanB]

Bingo. You most likely miss quite a few

Lmfao

I agree

Op what are you crying about, do you understand how your muscles grow? Obviously not

[The Bear 79]

hey sorry took so long to reply... Work schedule blows...

Ok so daily diet while I was on was this...

Meal 1 - 10 egg whites, 3 with yoke, two servings of oats.
Meal 2 - 50 gram protein shake with one serving oats.
Meal 3 - 8 oz chicken breast 6 oz sweet potato broccolli or green beans
Meal 4 - 8 oz chicken breast 6 oz sweet potato
Meal 5 - 8 oz steak and brown rice. Green beans

Along with diet I was taking a multi twice a day.
gallon and a half of water a day.
Cheat meal every two weeks.
I will admit though that I would miss a meal here and there.

My PCT was mirrored swifto's post.

OK, that's not 3400 Cal. I'm not sure its even 3000, if you can't / won't eat, then you wiki never keep anything steroids gives you. Again, I'm not saying you need 5000 or 6000 cals. but you're current diet is insufficient.

[The Bear 79]

That is far from 3400 calories.

Sorry funkymonk, didn't realize you already touched on this subject before I posted. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

[Too Little Muscles]

Actually you only have to be around 7'8" to weigh 500 lbs. There was a Roman emperor That was around 7'8" and the Romans weighed him at 500 lbs. His name was Maximinus Thrax. He was emperor from 235 to 238 AD. His own soldiers killed him. The image I uploaded says he was 8'6", but this is considered to be way over exaggerated.

Guys, you gotta get away from this, "if you do a proper PCT, you wont lose your gains" BS. PCT has nothing to do with it, its all in your diet & training, if those two components arent properly tuned, you could run a PCT that would impress Swifto, but you still wont keep any gains. And btw, if you're eating 3400 cals in one meal, your stats should be somewhere around 10 - 11 feet tall, & 450 - 500 lbs. Not everyone needs 5000 cals a day to make gains.

[The Bear 79]

Actually you only have to be around 7'8" to weigh 500 lbs. There was a Roman emperor That was around 7'8" and the Romans weighed him at 500 lbs. His name was Maximinus Thrax. He was emperor from 235 to 238 AD. His own soldiers killed him. The image I uploaded says he was 8'6", but this is considered to be way over exaggerated.

Uuhhhh...............ok..................thanx????

[Twin]

hey sorry took so long to reply... Work schedule blows...

Ok so daily diet while I was on was this...

Meal 1 - 10 egg whites, 3 with yoke, two servings of oats.
Meal 2 - 50 gram protein shake with one serving oats.
Meal 3 - 8 oz chicken breast 6 oz sweet potato broccolli or green beans
Meal 4 - 8 oz chicken breast 6 oz sweet potato
Meal 5 - 8 oz steak and brown rice. Green beans

Along with diet I was taking a multi twice a day.
gallon and a half of water a day.
Cheat meal every two weeks.
I will admit though that I would miss a meal here and there.

My PCT was mirrored swifto's post.

that looks like my cutting diet


and as others have said, that aint no 3.5k calories!! and 3.5 calories is what i had when i was bulking 165-175lbs. and 3.5k soon became my maintenance when i was at 177lbs. so there ya go! next time eat up and plan your diet better and get a calculator.

you want to remain big then eat big. EAT BIG. LIFT BIG. BE BIG. hopefully u learn ur lesson for next time.

[< <Samson> >]

Agreed, geez.

I think my diet is low and I eat about 2x that.

Meal 1 - 6 eggs and 1.5 cups of oats with 1+ scoop of MM
Meal 2 - 2 cups of oats with another 2 scoops of MM
Meal 3 - PWO shake (about 600-700 cal)
Meal 4 - Either 6 to 8 ounces of beef or chicken with vegetables plus 1.5 cups of brown rice
Meal 5 - Another 6-8 ounces of beef or chicken with a 1/3rd cup of hummus

I also add random pieces of cheese here and there for extra cals.

And I still think that's not enough.


Been working on my diet hard. . . . .

[MickeyKnox]

im not going to repeat what everyone else has already said.

but for the OP, this is what 3500 cals looks like..


5 eggs(2 whole)
2 Multi-Grn w/Ntrl P Butter
1 Orange

Snack = Banana or Yogurt/Whey/Ntrl P Butter

2 Fillet fish or 15 med shrimp or chicken breast or tuna
1/2 cup Broccoli
1/2cup Brown rice
1 Banana

WORKOUT

(during workout)
25 grams whey isolate
5 grams BCAA
5 grams creatine

(post workout)
50 grams whey isolate
10 grams glutemine
5 grams BCAA
DAA

30min later..
Tuna (no mayo)
10 Almonds

2 Fillet fish or 15 med shrimp or chicken breast or tuna
1/2 cup Brown Rice
1/2 cup Broccoli

Snack = 5oz Tuna and 10 Almonds

Bedtime Meal
250ml Cottage cheese
25g Whey Protein

Macros are approx..
Protein 320 Carbs 290 Fat 80 Calories 3500