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    Peptides, Tissue Growth & Protection and Practical use surrounding them

    Hello all of you in internet land!
    Today I wish to cover the subject of peptides and their possible uses.
    There seems to be a lot of people out there unsure of what peptides are or flat out think they are some sort of gimmick.
    I was at one point in time in the same boat, so no worries keep reading and you might learn something. After many years of research on this topic and countless personal experiences with peptides I feel I am qualified to try to help others out there by putting together this article covering the most popular peptides, their uses, how to use them safely and most effectively.

    What so WHAT in the world is a PEPTIDE???

    Isn’t that the stuff in my wife’s shampoo???

    Well…… I might be. But not all peptides are the same! Just like not all amino acids are the same.
    Peptides are actually very similar to amino acids (protein molecules) believe it or not.
    A peptide is a short, large molecule of an amino acid molecule that can bind chemically to other molecules to form a larger molecule by peptide bonds. They are listed as a peptide or protein depending on their size.

    I know it sounds confusing and in some ways it is. But it is not too hard to understand them.
    There are many kinds of peptides out there some are your basic protein type peptide that I will not bother to cover at this time or that would make this more of a diet article than a peptide article. Another is a “peptide hormone” they are secreted into the blood stream and have an endocrine function in the body.[1]

    There is even something called a neuropeptide. One of many for e.g. is DSIP (Delta Sleep-inducing Peptide). They are small protein-like molecules used by the neurons to communicate.
    They are much smaller than a neurotransmitter and are considered neuronal signaling molecules and they affect many functions in the brain like; pain, hunger, memory and can even effect you’re learning abilities!
    Still think Peptides might be a gimmick? HA I sure don’t. I think they are GREAT!
    No I won’t be talking about neuropeptides today, but I wanted to at least mention them because I feel they are pretty cool and very important.


    Today I will be talking about Peptide Hormones!

    Peptide hormones are not the same as steroid hormones.
    Steroid hormones are synthesized from cholesterol, and are lipids (they are fat based). While peptide hormones are proteins and are formed by a sequence of amino acids.
    As mentioned above these are the ones that have physical effects on the body like growth and repair and has been of very big interest to the bodybuilding scene and in recent years I feel at a massive scale due to the internet and many places selling these peptides.
    I felt I really should put something together about these powerful peptides and how they might help you in your quest to recovery, fat loss and growth.



    I will start with the basics of what each one does then I will get into more detail on how you can use them safely and effectively.

    GHRP-2
    Is a human growth hormone secretagogue. That means it stimulates the body's own release of HGH. It is a ghrelin receptor agonist is also seems to have some protective effect on some tissues and an anti-inflammatory effect as well. The excessive hunger some feel with GHRP-6 use does not seem to be an issue with GHRP-2. The half-life is about 20 minutes so multiple doses per day are optimal.

    GHRP-6
    Is also a human growth hormone secretagogue and stimulates the body's own release of HGH. It is a ghrelin receptor agonist and also seems to have some protective effect on some tissues and an anti-inflammatory effect as well. The half-life is about 20 minutes so multiple doses per day are optimal.
    *Note: GHRP-6 seems to cause excessive hunger in some people compared to GHRP-2. It is not a bad thing per say but depending on if your bulking or cutting you may prefer one over the other.

    CJC-1295
    Is a growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH) and it aides in the stimulation of the pituitary gland to increase production of growth hormone and stimulates GH and IGF-1 secretion. It will keep a steady increase of HGH without an increase in prolactin as can be an issue for some peptides of this nature. It is an analog to a peptide that is naturally produced to stimulate pituitary production of growth hormone. It has a half-life of about 7-10 days. This means once a week dosing is optimal in most cases.

    CJC-1293 (CJC w/o Dac)
    Is also a growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH) and it aides in the stimulation of the pituitary gland to increase production of growth hormone and stimulates GH secretion. It is an analog to a peptide that is naturally produced to stimulate pituitary production of growth hormone. The half-life is around 30 minutes, so multiple daily dosing is optimal. The GH pulse from a single administration of CJC-1293 is much greater than that of CJC-1295 but duration is much shorter. There is debate on which is better but both are useful regardless.

    IGF1 Des
    IGF-1 Des is an IGF-1 analogue of our native igf1 with the last 3 amino acids in the IGF-1 chain removed. That leads it to have little protein binding (good thing), but similar action causing it to be about 10 times more potent than normal IGF-1.[2] The active life is still fairly short, only about 20 minutes making multiple doses daily optimal for some users while others still feel once a day dosing is still worthwhile and the way to go.

    IGF1LR3
    Is also an IGF1 analogue with a 13 amino acid extension at the N-terminus. The alteration leads to less binding in the body greatly extends its half-life from 20min to about 20+ hours. Once a day dosing is optimal.

    IGF1Ec / Mechano Growth Factor (MGF)
    IGF1 Ec is derived from IGF-I but its effects differ from the systemic IGF-I produced by the liver. It is released as a pulse following muscle damage, is involved in the activation of muscle stem cells and also seems to protect the myocardium against ischaemia, which improved cardiac function after heart attacks. There is debate on dosing but i feel post workout (once daily even on non workout days) is a good way to go about it.[3]

    MT2
    Melanotan II (MT2) is a melanocortin. Melanocortins (MCs) are a family of multifunctional peptidergic hormones. MT2 is an analog of these and plays a role in the tanning process but will vary between skin types with its use. It is not really used in any growth as HGH or igf1 would be, but I feel due to its potential skin protection that I should add it in this article even if tanning is not the main focus of this article.



    As you can see all this stuff seems to revolve around IGF1 and HGH, so to understands its effects does not mean needing to fully understand each and every peptide (though a basic knowledge should be known about each one you use). Each peptide is working as either an IGF1 analog or as a HGH releaser and HGH converts to IGH1 giving most of its tissue growing effects anyway.

    It’s more understanding what IGF and HGH do in the body, to fully understand what these peptides can potentially do for you.

    I would like to talk mainly about IGF1 as I feel it is the main cause for growth over that of HGH solely.[4]
    The liver is the organ mostly responsible for the production of serum IGF-I even when taking exogenous HGH it is still mainly converted in the liver.

    IGF-1 acts differently in different types of tissues its not all tissues grow from its effects. When active in muscle cells and associated cell’s they stimulate growth by increasing protein synthesis along with amino acid absorption. IGF-1 also plays a role as a source of energy; IGF mobilizes fat for use as energy in adipose tissue by preventing insulin from transporting glucose across cell membranes. This results in the cells having to switch to burning off fat as a source of energy which I feel is a great quality about IGF-1.IGF also seems to mimic's insulin in the human body. It makes muscles more sensitive to insulin's effects.[5][6]

    I think one of the most interesting effect’s IGF has on the body is its ability to cause hyperplasia, that is when an actual splitting of cells occurs leading to more cells. You are basically your growing more cells with the use of HGH and IGF-1.
    Hypertrophy is what occurs when practising weight training and steroid use. Hypertrophy is simply an increase in the size of muscle cells but not growing new cells. In humans after you are done puberty you mostly have a set number of muscle cells that you have developed with that doesn’t vary much.All you would be able to do is increase the size of these muscle cells, but you don't actually gain more of them.
    This is not good for someone with “bad genetics” in the area of muscle cells.
    With IGF use you are able to cause hyperplasia which increases the number of muscle cells and gives you the ability to change your genetic capabilities in terms of muscle tissue and cell count.[6]
    Being able to alter a person’s capacity to build muscle density and size is an awesome thing to have control over.
    When you do a “cycle” of HGH releasing peptides or even straight use of IGF1 analogs on its own, you not only add to growth and recovery while on them, you give yourself a greater number of cells to work with and down the line grow then.

    When you finish a cycle of IGF-1…. in a way you are not really finished because you are still left with these new cells regardless of stopping the use of IGF1 or HGH releaser peptides and that is one of the things I just LOVE about HGH and IGF1. The fact you have residual effects is awesome for muscle building!


    OK, OK we know igf1 causes growth of size and cells, but how do I use this stuff effectively?
    Well by knowing the basics of each peptide, how they might have a synergy when used together and fully understanding the effects of HGH and igf1 that’s how!

    Unfortunately a lot of the use of IGF1 and HGH by bodybuilders and athletes is an underground trend of their use and you might not find some of the info needed to stack them optimally together or use them in a home setting.
    I wish to give you some of that information here.

    Secretagogues are different from GHRH's, they share no sequence relation and derive their function through action at a different receptor and it has been established that the use of Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (CJC1295 is one for e.g.) and a Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide (GHRP-6 or GHRP-2 for e.g.) together results in synergistic release of GH from pituitary.
    It is like saying 2+2=5 not 4, if you get what I am trying to say.

    I strongly rec stacking a GHRP with a GHRH for optimal results in tissue growth and fat loss, even if also using an IGF1 analog in the same cycle as some like to do.


    Here are some good examples of “peptide cycles” (Taken Sub Q):


    1#
    Wk1-8 40mcg ed IGF-1LR3

    2#
    Wk1-12 1000mcg (1mg) every week CJC-1295
    Wk1-12 100mcg 2-3X ed GHRP-2 or GHRP-6
    Wk1-12 10-20mcg ed IGF1 Ec (post workout’s)

    3#
    Wk1-12 100mcg 2-3X ed CJC-1293 (CJC w/o Dac)
    Wk1-12 100mcg 2-3X ed GHRP-2 or GHRP-6

    4#
    Wk1-8 40mcg ed IGF-1LR3
    Wk1-12 100mcg 2-3X ed CJC-1293 (CJC w/o Dac)
    Wk1-12 100mcg 2-3X ed GHRP-2 or GHRP-6

    5#
    Wk1-8 10-20mcg 1-2X ed IGF-1 Des

    6#
    Wk1-8 10-20mcg 1-2X ed IGF-1 Des
    Wk1-12 100mcg 2-3X ed CJC-1293 (CJC w/o Dac)
    Wk1-12 100mcg 2-3X ed GHRP-2 or GHRP-6

    7#
    Wk1-8 10-20mcg 1-2X ed IGF-1 Des
    Wk1-12 1000mcg (1mg) every week CJC-1295 (Sub Q)
    Wk1-12 100mcg 2-3X ed GHRP-2 or GHRP-6

    8# (MT2 cycle is for tanning purposes only, dependent on skin type and these are guidelines only)
    Wk1-4 0.5mg 2-3X a week of MT2 (10min tan every week)
    Wk4-8 0.5mg 1X a week of MT2 (10min tan every other week)
    Wk8-? 0.5mg 1X a month of MT2 (tan and dose as needed) *maintenance

    These cycles above would be optimal ways of using these peptides for muscle growth and fat loss.

    Using one or more of the HGH releasing peptides along with an IGF peptide like IGF-1lr3 could lead to growth and more fat loss over just the use of IGF-1lr3.
    But the use of one or more of the HGH releasing peptides without IGF-1 could lead to less total gains in mass as well. So stacking is goal dependent.
    I feel they stack together very nicely personally and I highly recommend IGF1LR3 to my friends new to and interested in peptides.

    IGF1lr3 or IGF1 Des are good peptides to start out with due to the simple ease of their.
    Then once you feel comfortable I would highly recommend stacking it with one of the GHRP’s and GHRH’s for maximum results.

    There are new discoveries every day in the field of “the human body” and I would be VERY Happy If I had some effect on this knowledge spreading, so I hope you learned something and enjoyed my article on these peptides and how to use them most effectively and safely.

    I look forward to helping all I can and making more of these kinds of informative articles.
    Till the next time,







    Take care!









    References:
    1) Peptide Hormone Secretion/Peptide Hormone Action: A Practical Approach 2 Volume Set Author: K.Siddle, J. C. Hutton, Oxford University Press, 1991
    2) Des(1–3)IGF-1 Treatment Normalizes Type 1 IGF Receptor and Phospho-Akt (Thr 308) Immunoreactivity in Predegenerative Retina of Diabetic Rats A. Kummer,1 B. E. Pulford,2 D. N. Ishii,2 and G. M. Seigel11University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry, Rochester, New York, USA 2 Colorado State University, Fort Collins, Colorado, USA
    3) Heart Lung Circ. 2008 Feb;17(1):33-9 Mechano-growth factor reduces loss of cardiac function in acute myocardial infarction. Carpenter V, Matthews K, Devlin G, Stuart S, Jensen J, Conaglen J, Jeanplong F, Goldspink P, Yang SY, Goldspink G, Bass J, McMahon C. Source Waikato Clinical School, Private Bag 3200, Hamilton, New Zealand. Mechano-growth factor reduces loss of cardia... [Heart Lung Circ. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI
    4) The somatomedin hypothesis: 2001.Le Roith D, Bondy C, Yakar S, Liu JL, Butler A. Clinical Endocrinology Branch, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland 20892-1758, USA. [email protected] The somatomedin hypothesis: 2001. [Endocr Rev. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI
    5) Mechanisms of disease: metabolic effects of growth hormone and insulin-like growth factor 1.
    6) LeRoith D, Yakar S.Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes and Bone Diseases, Department of Medicine, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, NY 10029-6574, USA. [email protected]

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    damn....nice work.

    THanks

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    Good Thinking!
    NO newbie should miss this post!!!

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    do you rep for a peptide supplier?

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    look at my other thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...90#post6065690

    I posted this on another forum I am on and thought it would help here.

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    Interesting read, thanks. What are your thoughts and experience with gw-501516?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-dogg View Post
    Interesting read, thanks. What are your thoughts and experience with gw-501516?
    I have only used it once for a short time, it was noticed, endurance seemed up and some fat loss seemed to be going ( but I was eating well also for goals) but it was only a small 4 wk run, I am still learning on it.
    but I think it could be a VERY VERY nice and sought after tool very soon.
    But I dont want to jump to anything since I still feel I have soem more to learn on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

    I have only used it once for a short time, it was noticed, endurance seemed up and some fat loss seemed to be going ( but I was eating well also for goals) but it was only a small 4 wk run, I am still learning on it.
    but I think it could be a VERY VERY nice and sought after tool very soon.
    But I dont want to jump to anything since I still feel I have soem more to learn on it.
    Gotcha. Yeah still not alot of solid information on it yet. Ive only talked to two other people besides myself now about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-dogg View Post
    Gotcha. Yeah still not alot of solid information on it yet. Ive only talked to two other people besides myself now about it.
    Yep I am waiting a bit myself. Sounds very promising though.

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    whats the proper age and side effect?

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    It's hard to find logs and to determine whether these are worth it or not.

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    I am interested to hear more info you have and even better person experiences from peopel in regards to IGF1 LR3 or DES

    The reason I say this is the ONLY good information I have read is somehow linked to a supplier or from an amatuer user that has no idea what they are doing, Never NOT ONCE have I met a reputable person with varied experience that considers IGF1 to be ANYTHING BUT A WASTE OF MONEY, If I am wrong please point me in the right direction.

    I actually have a few mg in my freezer but havent even bothered with it after talking with some of the worlds leading experts.

    Cheers

    Gonzo

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    my god no body answer no new information

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIANTBEAST View Post
    whats the proper age and side effect?
    No spoon feeding here and no set age or side effect.
    Do your research , we are all hear to help, not spoon feed basics and some of what you ask there is alot of unknown....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIANTBEAST View Post
    my god no body answer no new information
    what do you expect? spoon feeding?
    Also, there is no long standing book on peptides and how old you should be to use them or what side effects there are (for this one there pob is)

    You need to do your research on that.

    I really dont think you understand anything about them, so you cant ask right questions.
    keep reading and feel free to PM me with DIRECTED questions.

    Take care


    Good luck

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    Ill say this though YOU SHOULD BE AN ADULT! OVER 23yrs MIN! to use any of this sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo6183 View Post
    I am interested to hear more info you have and even better person experiences from people in regards to IGF1 LR3 or DES sorry but if that info dosnt make you understand, I am not sure what else I could say or how else i could break it down for you, sorry.

    The reason I say this is the ONLY good information I have read is somehow linked to a supplier or from an amatuer user that has no idea what they are doing, Never NOT ONCE have I met a reputable person with varied experience that considers IGF1 to be ANYTHING BUT A WASTE OF MONEY, If I am wrong please point me in the right direction.

    I actually have a few mg in my freezer but havent even bothered with it after talking with some of the worlds leading experts.

    Cheers

    Gonzo
    well.... reading the above and the FACT YOUR BODY USES IGF1 FOR GROWTH, (not oppinion , FACT) .... why in the world would you think it to be a waste? I think its much better then HGH for mass!

    WHAT logic do you have to think it dosnt work?? (assuming what you have is a real peptide in a vial)
    not liking who is posting info dosnt count when there are hundreds of studies on peptides and reports from people.

    Wish you the best!

    You are missing out btw...
    Last edited by Juced_porkchop; 08-30-2012 at 08:57 AM.

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    Good information, exactaly what I was looking for to get started on these in my up coming pct.

    My goal to use:
    Cjc-1295
    Igf1-lr3
    Ghrp-2

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    Quote Originally Posted by rage223 View Post
    Good information, exactaly what I was looking for to get started on these in my up coming pct.

    My goal to use:
    Cjc-1295
    Igf1-lr3
    Ghrp-2
    I believe it would be a good addition.
    Feed back seems to be better recovery with peptides in pct. could also be just holding the mass and then not affecting the HPT like aas. but regardless, feed back seems good on that sort of use.

    Let us know how you liked it! :-)

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    The only thing I question is the suggested cycle lengths. For example, we advocate anyone taking HGH to run at least 6 months, right? However, your cycle length for GHRP is 12 weeks. Half the time of exogeneous GH supplementation. If we tell everyone that you need to run HGH for 6 months, then why would we have a suggested cycle length for GHRP at 3 months?

    This appears to be an inconsistancy. Unless there is a valid reason GHRP only needs to be taken 50% as long as HGH to see benefits?

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    From the feedback that you receive, would you say that the use of the above peptide protocols would be most beneficial while on cycle with aas, started mid-cycle and carried through Pct, or started during Pct? I am very interested but not sure of the ideal "jumping off" point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    The only thing I question is the suggested cycle lengths. For example, we advocate anyone taking HGH to run at least 6 months, right? However, your cycle length for GHRP is 12 weeks. Half the time of exogeneous GH supplementation. If we tell everyone that you need to run HGH for 6 months, then why would we have a suggested cycle length for GHRP at 3 months?

    This appears to be an inconsistancy. Unless there is a valid reason GHRP only needs to be taken 50% as long as HGH to see benefits?
    ghrp's may raise prog and other hormones and some people seem to have issues, I even had one guy say he got gyno from ghrp. (i never noticed this myself though)
    but with IGF1 i think results are stronger and faster (mass) vs. hGH use. so I would not feel right telling someone to use igf1 LR3 or Des for 6 mo's but i also rec 6-10 weeks at a time. TO (in my op) limite possible sides.
    Only based of what I have researched and felt myself. yet some say don't use it for more then 4 weeks or you may grow your intestines...... well in my op that can happen no matter how you use it.

    also running ghrp/cjc for 6 mo and having to pin 3-4 times a day? screw that I already hate having to pin 3X a day for a couple months , but sadly for best results I would rec 4-6mo for ghrp/cjc combo .
    Personal OP on most protocols on peps for the most part it seems, atleast for now.

    Just my thoughts anyway. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Brown View Post
    From the feedback that you receive, would you say that the use of the above peptide protocols would be most beneficial while on cycle with aas, started mid-cycle and carried through Pct, or started during Pct? I am very interested but not sure of the ideal "jumping off" point.
    any would be great. if you do PCT and worry about recovery and muscle loss then i would GREATLY rec peptides like the cjc/ghrp combo or IGF peps starting at PCT time and ran though out this pct time and weeks after. I have even seen things to suggest that it may help with recovery post cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop View Post
    Only based of what I have researched and felt myself. yet some say don't use it for more then 4 weeks or you may grow your intestines...... well in my op that can happen no matter how you use it.
    now cjc and mod grf (1-29).. are they the same or difft?? ive read u can stay on mod grf (1-29) + ghrp-2 indefinitely?? whats the deal??? this intestine thing does not sound good at all!

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    Juced_porkchop,

    I'm considering GHRP-2, some kind of GHRH and GHG 177-191 for cutting purpose.

    I'm wondering whether those peptides can cause low sugar level (hypoglycemia) while carbs in diet are low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    now cjc and mod grf (1-29).. are they the same or difft?? ive read u can stay on mod grf (1-29) + ghrp-2 indefinitely?? whats the deal??? this intestine thing does not sound good at all!
    as far as i can tell mod grf (1-29) and cjc are the same with differing names or something..
    yes i hav heard that, but im also sure they have not been around long enough to truly say that with out ANY worries.
    alot seem to like this for anti-aging long term. deff better then getting INTL hGH (like blue tops and that sort of stuff) the way the market looks with so much BS with fakes, quality issues and all that. sad really, but i hope it changes.
    from that is now why i have been loving peptides, alto are made in country and that makes me feel good.
    also i have a love for the IGF1 :-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaMeLoT View Post
    Juced_porkchop,

    I'm considering GHRP-2, some kind of GHRH and GHG 177-191 for cutting purpose.

    I'm wondering whether those peptides can cause low sugar level (hypoglycemia) while carbs in diet are low.
    you know I never noticed this myself, or even with igf1 also. but SOME people have felt they had some issue with this. it may depend on person to person how noticable it is.
    I would keep a small candy with you for a while if you are unsure so atleast you got a quick fix if you feel dizzy or light and are not home.

    even better would be if you have a glucose monitor, then you will know for sure and how much its effecting YOU and then adjust dose or diet to keep things in the safe area.
    if you dont then i rec having some quick carbs around just to be safe.
    but for most people I have talke dot and read about (MANY mind you) most dont have this issue. and i feel these peptides are fairly safe when used as documented to be most effective and well tolerated.
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    On the ones with short half lifes, like 20 minutes, how frequently should they be injected? That seems a very short half life for a compound and I wouldnt know how to use it based on the half life alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    On the ones with short half lifes, like 20 minutes, how frequently should they be injected? That seems a very short half life for a compound and I wouldnt know how to use it based on the half life alone.
    just hook it up to a drip iv while you sleep. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmouth View Post
    On the ones with short half lifes, like 20 minutes, how frequently should they be injected? That seems a very short half life for a compound and I wouldnt know how to use it based on the half life alone.
    Not to step on juced toes but im running a pep cycle right now. The goal with these is pulses ..just like our natural gh releases occur. Its not like aas where you strive for consistent high levels. The pulse pattern release for gh is the pattern most associated with that in males. I inj 3x/day. (cjc1293 and ghrp6 100mcg each -3x/day). Which reminds me I need to update my log!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop View Post
    any would be great. if you do PCT and worry about recovery and muscle loss then i would GREATLY rec peptides like the cjc/ghrp combo or IGF peps starting at PCT time and ran though out this pct time and weeks after. I have even seen things to suggest that it may help with recovery post cycle.
    I like the idea of cjc/ghrp combined with Pct. This will definitely be part of my next Pct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    Not to step on juced toes but im running a pep cycle right now. The goal with these is pulses ..just like our natural gh releases occur. Its not like aas where you strive for consistent high levels. The pulse pattern release for gh is the pattern most associated with that in males. I inj 3x/day. (cjc1293 and ghrp6 100mcg each -3x/day). Which reminds me I need to update my log!
    Well put jimmy!

    Yes the half life may be short but the effects in cells and body after the burst are much longer.
    (It tells cells somthing and reaction starts)

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    now cjc and mod grf (1-29).. are they the same or difft?? ive read u can stay on mod grf (1-29) + ghrp-2 indefinitely?? whats the deal??? this intestine thing does not sound good at all!
    Different from what I have read, and I only know of two places you can get legit mod grf(1-29). If you need a real detailed description of the differences of why I can go look it up later or else link you to the right place if you pm me. I personally take mod grf(1-29) 66 mcg with ghrp-2 132 mcg in the am and post training. I would like to do more but very costly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEOINAGE View Post
    Different from what I have read, and I only know of two places you can get legit mod grf(1-29). If you need a real detailed description of the differences of why I can go look it up later or else link you to the right place if you pm me. I personally take mod grf(1-29) 66 mcg with ghrp-2 132 mcg in the am and post training. I would like to do more but very costly.
    it is NOT hard to get it and is easily found (atleast for me and even the other peps some term as grf 1-29) same thing differing name. Most still call it cjc but it is Mod Grf (1-29) thing is name can be confusing since more then one is called a GRF (1-29)
    some links of what i mean:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_grf_%281-29%29
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermorelin now its not mod , just GRF? lol
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJC-1293
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJC-1295

    Just know what you are getting and the name of it (not as simple as just grf 1-29)

    Plz PM me the info you mention I am curious on what you have. but I know labs that synthesize peptides I assure you its not hard to get (for most I assume anyway)
    Last edited by Juced_porkchop; 12-27-2012 at 09:35 AM.

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