First post, Second cylce.

[wreckerpecker]

I plan on running this cycle in a month, I figured I would post it on here to receive advice/corrections on the set up. Thanks for all the help!

[DeadlyD]

If I read your graph correctly it looks like your planning on running deca all the way thru with the test, imo drop the deca 2 weeks before the test.

[DeadlyD]

Also pct should start 2 weeks after test E not 3. Are you using an AI ?

[measuretwicecutonce]

try to format like this its easier n these are my suggestions:

week 1-5 Dbol @ 40mgs ED (everyday)
week 1-12 Deca @ 300mg x2/week (300 a week but split the pinning to 150mg monday n then 150mg thursday this will give you more even blood plasma levels)
week 1-14 test e @ 500 x2/week (for 2nd cycle i don't think you need to go over 500 a week, also split dosages 2times a week as u did have)

week 14-16 nothing
week 16/17/18/19 Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 Nolva is better than clomid imo no need to take both

[t-dogg]

Id drop the dbol. Didnt see a AI. Honestly I would just run Test only again on a 2nd cycle. What dose did you run the first time? Also HCG?

[DeadlyD]

One more thing, pct should look more like.
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

If you can get hold of arimadex, I would run it at .25mgs every other day from the start upto the start of pct. This will help keep estrogen levels in check.

[DeadlyD]

Id drop the dbol. Didnt see a AI. Honestly I would just run Test only again on a 2nd cycle. What dose did you run the first time? Also HCG?

I agree with t-dogg dbol and deca is little much, and I like the HCG idea aswell....

[wreckerpecker]

I do not plan on running this cycle with an AI, also I was told to start PCT 21 days after last deca jab. I bought a vial to run the deca the last two weeks.. looks like I'll be saving it for next cycle if I don't need it the last two weeks lol

[measuretwicecutonce]

if your bottle is 300/300 then u need to do the math according. you will pull from both vials, so u would take out .5ml from the deca/test (150 deca/test each) n then pull .4 from the test e) so you will have .9 in the syringe n then pin that monday and thurs. n then week 12-14 your pinning test only so your pinning 1ml of the test

[austinite]

I do not plan on running this cycle with an AI, also I was told to start PCT 21 days after last deca jab. I bought a vial to run the deca the last two weeks.. looks like I'll be saving it for next cycle if I don't need it the last two weeks lol

Not a good idea. IMHO if I were you, I would stop cycling and wait another year. Use that time to get more research in and perfect your diet and training. Not sure who is giving you advice, but I would refrain from collecting anything from them.

[measuretwicecutonce]

^ o ya. you need caber .25 twice a week as well as Aromasin or Arimidex about same dosage depending on which u use

[wreckerpecker]

My first cycle was sus250 eod for 8 weeks and 20mg dbol ed for 4 weeks alongside the sus

[measuretwicecutonce]

I do not plan on running this cycle with an AI, also I was told to start PCT 21 days after last deca jab. I bought a vial to run the deca the last two weeks.. looks like I'll be saving it for next cycle if I don't need it the last two weeks lol

thats y u need to do your homework bud. take everything everyone says with a grain of salt n listen n learn for yourself. research as you would a paper.

[t-dogg]

Every cycle should have a ai. At least on hand,

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Run some arimidex to keep your estro sides at bay. At the very least have some letro on hand incase gyno or other estro sides flare up. Having neither is just irresponsible and stupid IMO.

I don't see a reason to run 100mg of Clomid for 3 weeks straight, seems excessive. Personally, I would look into getting some HCG to help the recovery.

[MuscleInk]

Not a good idea. IMHO if I were you, I would stop cycling and wait another year. Use that time to get more research in and perfect your diet and training. Not sure who is giving you advice, but I would refrain from collecting anything from them.

^^^^ I'm with Austinite. Why would you NOT run an AI? Do you want elevated estrogen for some reason? Are man boobs your thing?

Deca and dbol???. I guess if you want gains to be water based, it's a good cycle. Too bad you'll shrink like over cooked bacon when you come off cycle.

What's with the love affair with dbol and deca? So many better compounds that give you real LBM gains without all the retarded water retention. I laugh at the the younger guys in the gym strutting around all blown up from water gains, not realizing a lot of those gains will drop off post cycle.

[wreckerpecker]

My first cycle was "ok", I did a little research. This time I wanted to get as much information as possible before I go using my gear improperly. I'm in no rush to start, I came here to gain as much knowledge as possible.

[measuretwicecutonce]

not running an AI in low test ONLY is actually good. if your running a nadrolone well, thats a whole nother story, estrogen helps build muscle. if u can run 500mg of test with out estrogen problems then you should do so. your body doesn't aromatize a lot. it depends on the person. if ur gyno prone then thats when its a must or as stated a nadrolone.

[measuretwicecutonce]

^^^^ I'm with Austinite. Why would you NOT run an AI? Do you want elevated estrogen for some reason? Are man boobs your thing?

Deca and dbol???. I guess if you want gains to be water based, it's a good cycle. Too bad you'll shrink like over cooked bacon when you come off cycle.

What's with the love affair with dbol and deca? So many better compounds that give you real LBM gains without all the retarded water retention. I laugh at the the younger guys in the gym strutting around all blown up from water gains, not realizing a lot of those gains will drop off post cycle.

dont diss the deca dbol cycle! tpp/npp same gains n half the water. besides running an AI is gonna pull water anyways..........

[wreckerpecker]

Made some changes let me know what you guys think.

[measuretwicecutonce]

^bcuz they're good starting compounds for one i also laugh at the guys who thinks its all water bcuz they don't eat enough so when the water runs out they have nothing. dbol test deca @ high medium doses with a guy that knows what he's doing can pack on 40llbs with 10 being water. n keep 13-16lbs

[measuretwicecutonce]

Made some changes let me know what you guys think.

you need caber or dostinex @ .25 e3dt all the way up to pct even thru ur no test phase.

[measuretwicecutonce]

id run hcg @ 300 x2/week n in-between ur pct and past pin.

[DeadlyD]

id run hcg @ 300 x2/week n in-between ur pct and past pin.

Why not run the HCG starting week 3 up until pct starts? @ 250iu 2week