2nd cycle EARLY planning....looking to cut and try out tren

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[Lunk1]

1-12 Test E 500mg EW Mon/Thur
1-12 Adex .25 EOD and adjust
1-12 HCG 250IU X 2 per week

14 dys after last pin
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Do not even consider a 2nd cycle until adequite time off (time on+PCT=time off) this is a MINIMUM!!!!!!!!!!!

[Capebuffalo]

First. Tren is not for a second third or fourth cycle.
Second we need to work on your first cycle.
1 st cycle test only
750 mg is too much. Start with 500 mg split 2 x a week
Drop dbol. Test only
Armidex .25 eod adjust accordingly
Hcg. 500 ius split 2 x a week start week 3-12
Pct novla 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50.

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[gearbox]

Agree with above.
Drop the dbol.
You need to add nolva to pct
And clomid at 100 mg for two weeks is way to much imo

[Lunk1]

I planned on doing 12 weeks off and then getting tests done. I can get my test results almost instantly so I would just work off the info my labs gave me.

Consider the math.

12 weeks on
2 weeks between last pin and PCT
4 weeks PCT
=18 weeks off (minimum)

Yes BW will tell you if your ready but please consider giving your body a break. Not sure why you are pushing so hard with bigger doses, extra compounds and a desire to jum back on with tren and very little experience. All of this is a bit of a recipe for disaster!

[Perseverance1]

It's not letting me post my response....oh well.

[Lunk1]

It's not letting me post my response....oh well.

reword and try again

[fit2bOld]

You have got some spot on advice from very knowledgeable members. Very important you take appropriate time off the formula Lunk laid out is an acceptable minimum.

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[Perseverance1]

Zzzzz

[Lunk1]

1) You stiil are looking at the MINIMUMtime off at BEST! Please get BW before deciding to jump back on!

2) I would avoid a blend. Especially Tes.Mast.Prop While it is one of my favorite stacks blended together it leaves you weak in some areas.

What I mean is you are getting on average 262.5 mg EW of the 3 compounds. This is enough test but i bit lower on the tren than I prefer and quite a bit low on the Mast.
Mast should be 500-700mg EW for best effectiveness.

I would find the compounds seperetly and dose for my needs!

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[Lunk1]

I have (through bad experiences) become a HUGE believer in using AI through cycle!

As long as you use an AI and keep estro controlled then the Caber can just be kept ON HAND!

Run the HCG through cycle as weel. It will help speedy recovery!

Indeed follow the BW...

Can you get the compounds seperatly or is that blend your only option??

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[pipper0916]

theres a good stickied t3/clen educational thread in member's cycle results

[Lunk1]

I can get the compounds separately so that's what I'll be doing based on your recommendation and a bit more research on my end. The only thing is now I'm kinda wondering about how clen/T3 would interact with this stack if I took it for 6 weeks too through the beginning of my cycle. Lots more to read...thanks for very thing though man and feel free to give more advice/feedback.

Clen makes me feel like crap and all jittery so I pass but some like it.

T3...none for me thanks. I have no interest in messing with my Thyroid. If that thing doesnt work right, way to many issues!

[MuscleInk]

Clen makes me feel like crap and all jittery so I pass but some like it.

T3...none for me thanks. I have no interest in messing with my Thyroid. If that thing doesnt work right, way to many issues!

I know several guys are proponents of t3 and clean but I'm in agreement with Lunk (he's such a swell guy!). I've seen the aftermath of what thyroid manipulation can do in clinic patients. I personally would use any thyroid hormones unless medically necessary. Screwing up your thyroid can be very unpleasant.

Clen is popular among many but I prefer nutrition and other approaches to weight management. Common sides are headaches, blurred vision, changes in BP, and thyrotoxicosis (usually rare). Long term it can cause elevated heart rates.

[Perseverance1]

Zzzzz

[Lunk1]

Read this thread..Sworder has some good info here!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-and-2nd-cycle

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[Lunk1]

Thanks for that, very helpful.

Also, does this dosage look a little bit better to you?

Test Prop 300mg a week
Mast prop 500mg a week
Tren Ace 300mg a week

That looks like a winning combo!

Make sure not to cheat youself out of result...get your diet checked in nutrition if you have not done it already!