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After a recomendation from AC to try Twin Peaks the wife and I did this afternoon. We often time hit up Hooters un Sundays during Football season but decided to try something (kinda) different.
I will reserve my review and comparison and see what others that have tried them both think.
Whats your favorite and why?
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Most hooters girls I have seen are mediocre looking at best.
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My wife and I discussed it in length while at Twin Peaks. I remember when Hooters was getting started. They were as hot as they come during that time. Hooters was THE sports bar to go to. Since then the attire has not kept up with the times, the quality of girls seems to have dropped and the older buildings not been kept up or updated!Originally Posted by Bronzer
While this is only based on 1 visit and 1 meal...I would prefer Hooters food over Twin Peaks!
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Yeah. It's hard for me to say. That's all before my time. I used to bounce at a place called Firewaters, same owners as Hooters. It was actually connected to Hoots, and it seemed like the waitresses were 18-21 year old average looking girls. I can't judge every place though. Which state are you in?
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The midwest so automatically the choice of hot chicks is limited lol.
We sat and talked to a Hooters watress one afternoon for about a half hour. I was amazed to learn the restrictions that they have. The hair can only be one color (not multi colored), nails must be mainicured and clear polish only, No visable tatts, tanning sessions encouraged and discounted and (encouraged) gym memberships.
I was shocked thinking about how they get away without being (successfully) sued for discrimination when they don't hire fatties and dudes???
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Very nice. I wish i could post something but i can't right now.
I will say that i lived w/2 Hooter girls for about a year. That was fun.
I also know someone named Melissa Lauren but i haven't spoken to her in a while.
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As long as you don't come out and say "We are not hiring you because you're fat, old, or black", then it's fair game. There are so many ways around everything.
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It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that there is discrimination. I would think a lawyer worth a damn could win some big $ but my understanding is that Hooters has been unsuccessfully sued many times.
What if some dude walks in with 10 years of waiting experience for various resturaunts and has great references and sees he was passed up for a big boobed bimbo paying her way through college and no work experience. Seems like an easy win but apperantly it's not.
Don't get me wrong..I would hire her too lol
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Who is going to bring in more revenue for the bar? Men can be really pathetic some times, and just order a ton of drinks or food because they think the sexy waitress/bartender actually gives a shit about them. Looks will always play a bigger part than skill, when it comes to bartending, imo...
I mean...look at nightclubs and lounges. I'd like to say that most of the time, experience usually makes you more qualified for the job. There are a lot of women out there who have been bartender for 25+ years, but where do they usually get placed? They get placed in the back of the service bar area of a restaurant or club, because they don't want customers seeing them. Who gets to work up front and flirt their ass off? The sexy bimbos in their 20s who have, AT MOST, a couple years of experience vs. the 50 year old broad who is a veteran bartender but now wrinkly and washed up....
It's the truth.
hot, sexy, flirty bartender = makes guy excited/temporarily happy = $$$$$$ for the bar
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I'm not arguing why it's done..only stating that I am shocked that they are not sued big time for it!
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Went to Twin Peaks twice. Different Towns each, both times got sick. Never again. I'm sure it was an odd coincidence but it's in my head now.
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Not true at all! Your comments are incorrect for the most part. Not saying some don't operate that way, but a majority will not. Also, it depends on the woman and her communication skills. Where do you know that every bar treats their employees this way?
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I'm going to get slightly off topic here, and I apologize, but I feel that if you're a business owner - you should be able to hire whoever you want for whatever reason that may be and also deny anyone you want...After all, you're in this for $, so the question you have to ask yourself is which employee is going to make me more $...
If an old school Italiano restaurant has 5 black servers, and 5 white servers - how well is that going to go over with the customers? Probably not well at all. From my experiences, Italian's and Greek's tend to be the most racist towards black people. If most of your clientele is 50+ year old Italian guys, they're probably going to stop going to your restaurant simply because of the servers skin color. A lot of people wouldn't really care about the servers skill, kindness, and attentiveness - they wouldn't think twice about the customer service and just stop going to your place because of having black servers. That is obviously going to lose you $...
If a 200lb dancer shows up to your nightclub, auditions, absolutely kills it and really knows how to shake her body --- would you hire her? I know I wouldn't. No one wants to see a whale on stage when they're entering a nightclub, it's terrible for business. They would rather see some 120lb chick who has a sexy, hot body. She's probably an OKAY dancers where as the big girls is extremely good, but customers don't really care about how good someone can dance, it's about appearance....
That's just my .02 and I'm trying to view it in a business owners state of mind. I know I'm going to catch shit for this, but I'm not looking at what's FAIR, I'm looking at it in terms of what will bring in more revenue.
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The 10-12 clubs, bars, and lounges that I have worked in treated their employees this way. I've been to several clubs throughout NJ, NYC, and Philadelphia, and I've yet to see an unattractive, overweight, 50+ bartender. Local dive bars may have some older ladies who don't look that good, simply because of the following that they bring, since it's usually a small town, "Everyone knows everyone" location. Where as the big clubs and lounges strictly want the looks, because the looks are usually going to bring in the $.
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hahaha...How much more of a racist can a person be? That's it.
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That's a 100% true. You will find older women working at some clubs, but they take care of themselves. Places like that are very selective on who they hire. I know how it goes first hand, my old boss just opened a lounge bar on Long Island and went through that whole process, who works there? Young girls and some guys. Do you really think that they're the only people who applied for the position? I also know that some people won't go to bars with a busted staff. This isn't always the case, but it's mostly the case.
And as for restaurants, how authentic Italian could it be with a kitchen full of Spanish chefs!? Haha i personally don't care who serves me, as long as they do their job. If I don't like the server ill get up and request a different table. There is inequality in the workforce when it comes to doing the hiring. I worked with my old boss for five years in restaurant and catering and never worked with a black person, barely any Spanish.
And just because you have an opinion based on what you deserve, doesn't make you racist, sexist, or whatever else you want to try and say. Now if you say " that's how it is and should be" then by all means let the name calling begin
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He's racist for pointing out some societal norms? Race is a social construct as it is anyway, a figment of the human imagination, but something we've got to deal with anyway. He's just brining to light the fact that the more senior italians&greeks dislike people of of color, its a generational thing. I don't think you can really deduce from that argument that HE is racist?
With regards to restaurants and business's in general, I firmly believe a business should not be prohibited by law from discriminating based on any criteria they see fit. A privately owned business ought to have the right to refuse service for any reason one can imagine. I'm a conservative(libertarian leaning) Republican, and therefore do not believe in affirmative action, EOE, or any other such programs of moral hazard. Laws and regulations are NOT the answer to discrimination in hiring & promotion practices, the free market is the answer. Only the most qualified, talented, and hard working people ought to qualify for a particular job and get a promotion. No +5 points on the ranking scale because your complexion happens to resemble this socially constructed idea, and no additional points because your great grandparents happened to belong to this or that ethnic group. MERITOCRACY should be the ONLY determining force in employment. It is just as 'racist' to hire someone BECAUSE of their skin color, as it is to NOT hire someone because of their skin color. The answer is quite simple, those business's who perpetuate discriminatory practices are likely not to do well in the free market, as they will invariably be overlooking a lot of talented and qualified applicants, whilst business A's competitor business B does not engage in such practices, and promotes people simply on their MERITS, business B will thrive because business B has the most competent, talented, and hard working employees in positions of importance.
This is just yet another area that we do not need big government bureaucrats sticking their noses into and ruining things. You know that I've actually lost BIG contracts because the clients were publicly funded and had to abide by certain laws&rules, specifically, they had to hire "Minority owned vendors/business's," meaning since I am a white male, my business, regardless of the high level of service we provided, regardless of providing LOWER PRICES to the client, the client is obligated to patron a minority owned business (the majority of which are women owned in these cases, thats who EEO primarily enfranchises most of the time). How did this help the tax payer? If I provided products at a lower price to a publicly funded organization, that organization is now paying higher rates for the same products, and the tax payer is the one who loses. This is just one of a myriad of examples whereby EEO and affirmative action hurt not only taxpayers, but everyday citizens seeking gainful employment.
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Very selective in your quotes aren't you? I could go on and on about his two posts but i won't cause i have better things to do. Let the rest of the community decide whether or not his comments were racist. I feel they were and i know many women that would feel the same. Now, your comments?
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Maybe. But his post history clearly shows he is a racist and sexist.
But hey... that's not the issue at hand I guess. Just a friendly reminder. I still recommend bronzer move to Saudi Arabia where his mindset would blend in.
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You don't believe in EOE? Ok. What business did you "used" to have? And why did it go under?
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I'm not, I quoted one post cause its a pain in the ass to quote multiple posts on your phone. And I said that I agreed with the other posts, just cause they aren't quoted doesn't mean they aren't still there or that I'm solely talking about the quoted one. Regardless, I see where you're coming from, all I was saying is that by pointing out racism in the workplace doesn't make you a racist. It's especially hard to read someone's tone over the Internet. I agree with aust as well, but I didn't see it here.
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How good could some 200lb woman be at giving lapdances though? I mean shit I don't my equipment crushed while she's grinding me. Same thing with the Italian restaurant server. Part of what they're selling there is the illusion of authenticity. You lose that when the help isn't Italian. Part of me is thinking "how Italian could Italian food be if it's made by a Mexican?" So in that, they're not really being discriminatory, they're looking to fulfill their customer's expectation.
But as far as skill sets go. Say you own a bar and you decide to hire the less skilled pretty bartender girl over the old hag of a bartender. How can that old hag PROVE that first she was of higher skill than the pretty girl and second that you discriminated against her because of her age/appearance?
For the record, I've only been to the Hooters at Hooter's Casino and the girls were as hot as the wings....
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Sure, but then he'd just be bitching about all the Arabs. lol
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lmao. Leave it to Bona to find a flaw in my theory! Very true, though. Nice catch.
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ive never heard of twin peaks. i thought that was like a movie or tv show from the 80s?
hooters IMO has the best wings anywhere ive been. also dated a hooters girl for 3 yrs so i spent a fair amount of time in there.
a lot of the girls are very hot too id like to note. of course im from georgia and everyone knows we have some of the hottest women!
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@ Bronzer...in response to your PM, it's all good. Everythread in the lounge gets off topic lol.
Back to regular programming...
Hooters vs Twin Peaks????????
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Mate,
They WERE sued and won years ago. Their workaround was that these girls were NOT waitress' but instead entertainers and therefore must adhere to a certain image.
go figure, huh?
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Hooters officials say their waitresses can be considered entertainers so the law shouldn't apply to them.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/296596
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Instead of going out of your way to chastise me in multiple threads and involuntarily bringing others into our problems, why don't you just shoot me a PM and we'll have a mature, rational, discussion?
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Yes TR that's why I said SUCCESSFULLY sued. I understand it's been attempted several times to no avail.
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wouldnt that be an unsuccessful suit?
isnt the perspective assumed from the position of the people filing the suit??
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yes...the whole post actually says WITHOUT being successfuly sued..I just pointed out the ONE wordwouldnt that be an unsuccessful suit?
isnt the perspective assumed from the position of the people filing the suit??
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LOL.. funny how things get confused around here
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Damn, this thread went downhill. It started off about titties and deep fried food to stereotypes, law talk, and pointless politics. Focus on the core issues people, BOOBS, BEER AND CHICKEN WINGS.
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I don't agree with the legislation which enacts EOE, I am a principled Republican (a Ron Paul Republican, libertarian leaning), so I oppose it on principle, regardless of the results. When we talk about equality, we are talking about equality of OPPORTUNITY, not equality of RESULTS. Those in support of EOE would argue something to the effect of, African-Americans make up 13% of the population, ergo the board of directors of Lehman Brothers should be composed of 13% African-Americans. That is called equality of results, and it is a completely immoral system to advocate for. In a merit based system/society, those with the best scores, performance, or whatever criterion/metric the hiring entity is using to judge candidates are the ones who EARN their positions.
My business was disposable medical supplies. It went under because my contracts were all state&local governments in large urban metropolitan areas in the North East. In my case, it was not necessarily the clients themselves that made the decision about the vendors, but rather it was the cities ordering the clients to abide by statutes to use 'minority owned business vendors.' So in a matter of 6 months, my 4 biggest contracts were all pulled and given to minority owned business, despite the fact that my products were provided at a lower cost, and regardless of the level of service provided. In 3 of the 4 cases, the minority owned businesses were women owned (EOE and Affirmative Action benefits women more than ethnic minorities, which most people are unaware of), and in the 4th case it was a minority owned business. However, it's hard to know if these were genuine or not, because in a lot of cases businesses use what are known as "pass throughs," which essentially means that you hire a woman or ethnic minority to be the "President" of your company, but they actually have no decision making power or ownership in the company, but they qualify the business for the programs. I have bid on contracts and lost because of businesses using pass throughs, I just happen to refuse to resort to such tactics, and I believe its immoral to do so. Does that sufficiently answer your question?
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Here's a prime example of why Equal Opportunity sucks........how would you like your chicken wings delivered by these beautiful full figured gals?
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Those are not hooters uniforms. They might look good if they were in hooters uniforms.Here's a prime example of why Equal Opportunity sucks........how would you like your chicken wings delivered by these beautiful full figured gals?
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These uniforms are better, they can carry extra sauce in those folds of flesh........yummy
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