Ok, I get that these three compounds will retain water, but I'm not taking these compounds ONLY to retain water. The water retention is a side affect that I wish to avoid, hence my question regarding taking Clen with the cycle. If you are recommending not to take Clen because (and only because) it will affect the lean muscle gains or strength attributed with these compounds then I won't take it. If the water retention that comes with these compounds is a good thing, then say it is a good thing. Otherwise I will continue thinking it is a bad thing and try to avoid it if possible.