friend hopped on tbol oral only...

[warmouth]

Funny how guys who use AAS will talk about the HPTA. You think you have superman HPTA? A regular steriod user has a much greater chance of damaging their HPTA than someone who runs a mild Tbol only cycle. Var and Tbol only cycles are not the worse thing in the world. Most of these kids will use this and nothing else which is safter than telling them to run needles.

The fact is, most people are more concerned with the HPTA and gyno than anything else. They fail to realize the actual risks involved. Screw HPTA, that can be worked with. It would suck for a young person to be put on TRT for doing stupid things, but hey, risk to reward, right? Gyno? Who cares. It can be fixed. Think about the actual serious problems that actually happen that no one seems to ask about or care about.
High cholesterol
High Blood Pressure
High RBC
Hemocrit
Thickening of the walls of the heart
Elevated Liver Enzymes
Kidney function
The list goes on and on. And these are the things that happen most and are never a concern to most new users or guys who only care about the "visual" sides. There is alot more risk involved than HPTA and supression.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

The fact is, most people are more concerned with the HPTA and gyno than anything else. They fail to realize the actual risks involved. Screw HPTA, that can be worked with. It would suck for a young person to be put on TRT for doing stupid things, but hey, risk to reward, right? Gyno? Who cares. It can be fixed. Think about the actual serious problems that actually happen that no one seems to ask about or care about.
High cholesterol
High Blood Pressure
High RBC
Hemocrit
Thickening of the walls of the heart
Elevated Liver Enzymes
Kidney function
The list goes on and on. And these are the things that happen most and are never a concern to most new users or guys who only care about the "visual" sides. There is alot more risk involved than HPTA and supression.

Good post, however, I doubt he will have all those problems you mentioned on just a little tbol. If he was running a big stack of tren, anadrol, test and eq in large doses, then all those factors 100% come into play

[warmouth]

Good post, however, I doubt he will have all those problems you mentioned on just a little tbol. If he was running a big stack of tren, anadrol, test and eq in large doses, then all those factors 100% come into play

I did 80mgs of anavar and 250mgs test for 6 weeks. All of those happened to me. Thats one reason I am laying in bed with a holter monitor on and am getting an ecocardiogram and renal ultral sound soon.

[bp2000]

I did 80mgs of anavar and 250mgs test for 6 weeks. All of those happened to me. Thats one reason I am laying in bed with a holter monitor on and am getting an ecocardiogram and renal ultral sound soon.

Damn bro 6 weeks is a short time. I would think thickening of the heart would happen over time from steroid abuse. The cycle you mentioned doesn't sound like abuse. Did you do heavy cycles previously?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I did 80mgs of anavar and 250mgs test for 6 weeks. All of those happened to me. Thats one reason I am laying in bed with a holter monitor on and am getting an ecocardiogram and renal ultral sound soon.

Now I see why you are being overly cautious here. Anavar is known to wreck lipids but I am surprised it became that bad for you. I would guess genetics played the main role in that. Even if you get an EKG and shows left heart ventricle hypertrophy, I wouldn't worry. Most heavy lifters who don't even take steroids get that too. It can shrink back down easily fortunately. I did a lot of research on that because I was worried about it myself. Anyways, hope everything works out for you