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    let me piss people off about guns

    I didnt write this. But i read it and honestly hits the nail on the head IMO

    http://spiffysean.com/2012/12/05/my-cold-dead-hand/

    Obama is coming for my guns.

    Obama is coming for YOUR guns.

    How do I know this? I know this because he DID NOT come after our guns in his first four years as President, which means he wants to take away all of our guns. Hell, he probably wants to melt them all down and recycle the parts so that he can give more welfare moms free cell phones. AM I RIGHT MY REDNECK BROTHERS?

    There are over 10,000 people killed by guns in the United States every year. The next closest First-World countries average a couple of hundred people who die from gun-related violence. In fact, you can add up England, Canada, France, Spain, Australia, Japan, Germany, New Zealand, Switzerland, and Austria and they would get to about 1/20th of the murders in America.

    “But that’s not fair! America has more people than a lot of those countries!”

    Calm down, Guy with 6 Teeth in a Single-Wide. You are correct: If you look at these deaths on a purely per-capita basis, the U.S. only kills about eight times the people per 100,000 than the next closest country. WE’RE NUMBER ONE!


    In Canada’s defense, most gun deaths are due to large women in coats being mistaken for moose.

    With a few high-profile shootings in the news recently, the issue of gun control has come up again in the mainstream media. NFL linebacker Jovon Belcher shot and killed his girlfriend (also the mother of his 3-month old child) in front of his mother and his baby. He then drove to the Chiefs facility and blew his brains out in front of his coach and the team’s owner. MURIKA! Of course, Second Amendment supporters make the standard “guns don’t kill people – PEOPLE kill people” argument – but at what point do we recognize that guns are bad, mmmkay?

    NBC broadcaster (and journalist, by the way) Bob Costas has taken considerable flak for editorial comments that he made on the air following the shooting. Gun rights advocates were furious that Costas would take such controversial positions like “If Jovon didn’t have a gun he probably wouldn’t have shot himself in the face” – I’m paraphrasing of course but the reality is that at NO point did Costas call for gun control, legislation, or that anything should be done politically. Here’s the full clip:




    Costas references a column written by Jason Whitlock where Whitlock DID make several controversial statements, but Costas was careful to cherrypick the article and exclude anything that might be deemed as inflammatory. Costas focused on the gun culture in America, and why young people are dying when they seemingly do not have to. Sure, Jovon Belcher could have strangled his girlfriend, or stabbed her, or beat her to death… But he didn’t. He shot her, because having a gun made it quick, easy, and convenient for him to do so.

    So since Costas didn’t get political in his comments it would appear that somebody needs to pick up the slack. Here is a little Second Amendment love for you all:

    First and foremost – Here is the Second Amendment – “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

    Simple, beautiful, and like most of our Constitution – Open to interpretation. Many modern-day gun advocates shroud their desire to own a rocket launcher in pretending like our Founding Fathers (and God: We can NEVER forget that all of our rights come from God) thought that everybody should have unregulated access to whatever weapons they deemed fit to defend their family. Then again, Founders like James Madison thought it was absurd that we needed a Second Amendment because it was unfathomable that the government would ever muster a standing army that would be a threat to the people. Good call, Jimmy!

    Sidenote: To all of the gun-toting teabillies out there who think that there is going to be a second Civil War, or that you are going to need your guns to fight the government – stop it. You are not that bright, and it is not 1790 any longer. Our government can blow you up with a radio-controlled plane now without you even knowing what happened, so your AR-15 isn’t going to do you a lot of good against a tank. You might be one gun away from getting on the ATF’s radar, and as a refresher if the government DOES come for your guns, it’s not going to end well for you. Ask my old friend David Koresh:




    Do you know what else the Framers of the Constitution expected? That every able-bodied man at age 18 joined the militia. There ya go, gun-rights people. You want your guns? You have to serve in the military to get em!

    On May 8, 1792, Congress passed “[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States” requiring:

    [E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia…[and] every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

    You aren’t repelling any invasions. You aren’t fighting any tyrannical governments. (I know, I know – Obama is a Socialist and ruining the country but how about just this once you let the guy elected democratically do his job?) You most likely are not participating in law enforcement. (and God Bless you if you are) You are not organizing your own army. You want to try to bag an 8-point buck – ROCK ON! Does the Constitution say that you should have an AK-47 to do so? No.

    So let’s ease up on trying to determine what people over 200 years ago were thinking, and start using some common sense. If you want to waste your time trying to interpret outdated documents that have no bearing on modern society – stick to The Bible.
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    It sums things up for extemist gun owners perhaps...I don't see how this has any relevancy to those of us that enjoy hunting and collecting as a hobby!

    Are you suggesting that all gun owners are toothless, redneck, hillbillys that live in trailers?

    I have never lived in a trailer, I have all my teeth (minus 2 wisdom teeth), I may on occasion qualify as a redneck...but far from a hillbilly as I live North of Missouri

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    It sums things up for extemist gun owners perhaps...I don't see how this has any relevancy to those of us that enjoy hunting and collecting as a hobby!

    Are you suggesting that all gun owners are toothless, redneck, hillbillys that live in trailers?

    I have never lived in a trailer, I have all my teeth (minus 2 wisdom teeth), I may on occasion qualify as a redneck...but far from a hillbilly as I live North of Missouri
    it says specifically that they have no issue with hunting but you dont need an ak-47 to hunt.
    and no not all gun owners are toothless rednecks. But all toothless rednecks are gun owners
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    So if guns were banned totally, wouldn't that mean that only criminals would have guns? People willing to acquire them illegally- therefore more willing to use it for the wrong reasons... What do I know, I'm canadian and gun laws are tough enough here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by >Good Luck< View Post
    So if guns were banned totally, wouldn't that mean that only criminals would have guns? People willing to acquire them illegally- therefore more willing to use it for the wrong reasons... What do I know, I'm canadian and gun laws are tough enough here.
    i def dont think they should be banned. But i think laws do need to change regarding guns. And in America its a conversation that cant even be had. It's never guns fault no matter what happens.
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    I hunt with an AK

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    "In Canada’s defense, most gun deaths are due to large women in coats being mistaken for moose."

    It's a terrible thing here and you shouldn't joke. It's getting worse with the increased production of our oilsands. The increased pollution as given our beautifully buxom women asthma.

    Now they even sound like moose!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigshotvictoria
    "In Canada's defense, most gun deaths are due to large women in coats being mistaken for moose."

    It's a terrible this here and you shouldn't joke. It's getting worse with the increased production of our oilsands. The increased pollution as given our beautifully buxom women asthma.

    Now they even sound like moose!!!!!
    Hahaha!

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    Aren't AK-47's are already illegal?

    I'm for enforcing the laws that are already on the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by likelifting View Post
    Aren't AK-47's are already illegal?

    I'm for enforcing the laws that are already on the books.
    i may be wrong but i thought the assault weapons ban expired years ago. So they arent illegal anymore.
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    You might be right. Looks like RaginCajun is hunting with one. Unless he's joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    it says specifically that they have no issue with hunting but you dont need an ak-47 to hunt.
    and no not all gun owners are toothless rednecks. But all toothless rednecks are gun owners
    So my AK47 is more deadly than my .308? Guns a guns a gun! I keep a 12 guage in my closet for home defense. I trust that to be more dealy than any of my assault rifles. Is it because they are black? Is this a racial issue Gixx? Are you hating on my black guns lol?

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    The Second Amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting, target shooting, collecting, etc. It has EVERYTHING to do with your right....let me say that again, your RIGHT to simply own and use a firearm.

    Do you know what else the Framers of the Constitution expected? That every able-bodied man at age 18 joined the militia. There ya go, gun-rights people. You want your guns? You have to serve in the military to get em!
    Um, that's nowhere in the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't even contain the words, "18" or "able-bodied." To assume, which is what the article did, that the Founders "expected" this is quite the stretch and gun ownership is dealt with specifically and singularly by the 2nd Amendment. A militia is NOT the military.

    IMO, at the end of the day, we have the 2nd amendment afford to us by our Founders in the Constitution, and this is a prime example that it's under direct threat from people who have nothing by an ideological axe to grind which extends WAY beyond the 2nd amendment, to the entire Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    i def dont think they should be banned. But i think laws do need to change regarding guns. And in America its a conversation that cant even be had. It's never guns fault no matter what happens.
    Exactly. A gun is an inanimate object. It takes a person willing to use it in an inappropriate/illegal manner. No different that using a baseball bat, knife, your own hands in an inappropriate/illegal manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    So my AK47 is more deadly than my .308? Guns a guns a gun! I keep a 12 guage in my closet for home defense. I trust that to be more dealy than any of my assault rifles. Is it because they are black? Is this a racial issue Gixx? Are you hating on my black guns lol?
    if a guns a gun is a gun. Why make 100's of different kinds and everyone should be aloud to own any type. Give everyone a .22 then if a guns and guns a gun
    and yes its cause they are black. I had this convo before. I think all guns should be bedazzled. Guys wont feel like such bad ass pulling them out trying to scare people
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    Quote Originally Posted by likelifting View Post
    Aren't AK-47's are already illegal?

    I'm for enforcing the laws that are already on the books.
    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    i may be wrong but i thought the assault weapons ban expired years ago. So they arent illegal anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by likelifting View Post
    You might be right. Looks like RaginCajun is hunting with one. Unless he's joking.
    Ak47 were never made illegal.

    The Ban the sunseted only had to do with certain aspects of assault rifles, like magazine capacity, flash suppresors and pistol grips...yeah because those made a difference.

    This argument is stupid...more ppl are killed in the united states in auto accidents than gun related homocides.

    American cociety is violent (the reason why is another topic). They are going to commit just as many violent crimes with or without guns!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinsOtherSon View Post
    Exactly. A gun is an inanimate object. It takes a person willing to use it in an inappropriate/illegal manner. No different that using a baseball bat, knife, your own hands in an inappropriate/illegal manner.
    ant thats why this article makes jokes of it. If you cant really look at the actual facts of guns and see they are part of the problem then your in denial. They arent the only issue but they are part of it.
    Do you really think if there wasnt guns there would be drive by batting or stabbings where multiple people are killed. Do you think a knife will accidentally go off and kill someone?
    They guy in Fl who shoot a kid in his car over loud music would have beat him to death if he didnt have the gun?
    Seriously how can you see a gun is not part of the problem. I'm not saying its the whole thing but fvck your nuts if you think its not a problem at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    if a guns a gun is a gun. Why make 100's of different kinds and everyone should be aloud to own any type. Give everyone a .22 then if a guns and guns a gun
    and yes its cause they are black. I had this convo before. I think all guns should be bedazzled. Guys wont feel like such bad ass pulling them out trying to scare people
    I am fkn surgical with my .22 rifle and pistols. A.22 pistol has been the prefered weapon of mob hit men for years. More ppl are killed with good old fashioned hunting rifles and shotguns than are with ominous looking assault rifles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    Ak47 were never made illegal.

    The Ban the sunseted only had to do with certain aspects of assault rifles, like magazine capacity, flash suppresors and pistol grips...yeah because those made a difference.

    This argument is stupid...more ppl are killed in the united states in auto accidents than gun related homocides.

    American cociety is violent (the reason why is another topic). They are going to commit just as many violent crimes with or without guns!
    wasnt sure exactly what the law covered. Thanks for explaining.

    And i def agree we have an issue as a society. But have a easly accessible gun makes it easier for the people with issues to kill
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    Gixxx...did you not get any last night? Are you feeling all argumentative? Do you need a hug? Would you like to go shoot some stuff ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    I am fkn surgical with my .22 rifle and pistols. A.22 pistol has been the prefered weapon of mob hit men for years. More ppl are killed with good old fashioned hunting rifles and shotguns than are with ominous looking assault rifles!
    yes i know that fact about the Mob

    as far as the hunting and shot guns killing more. Do you think its just a numbers thing? That more people own them so thats what makes the numbers higher?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    Gixxx...did you not get any last night? Are you feeling all argumentative? Do you need a hug? Would you like to go shoot some stuff ???
    oh im just playing. I like debating. If people are upset ill end the thread. I read that this morning and really liked the article. I know its not all factual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    I am fkn surgical with my .22 rifle and pistols. A.22 pistol has been the prefered weapon of mob hit men for years. More ppl are killed with good old fashioned hunting rifles and shotguns than are with ominous looking assault rifles!
    There isn't a lot of things one can do that is more fun shooting a .22 with friends. Its a BLAST! Bring out the big stuff at the end of the day. Great fun.

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    Those shirts that say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" are true. And lunk is right, a gun is a gun is a gun. If you're a responsible, law abiding person educated in firearm safety, why can't you own an AK? With everything in life I feel education is the key. Will you stop the spread of AIDS by banning sex? No, thats ludicrous!! You do it by educating safe sex, and for guns safe and responsible use. If I want to kill someone, and there are no guns, I'll use a knife, or a hammer, or my car, or bleach. And as far as criminals using firearms for things like holding up liquor stores, thats ridiculous. The guns they use are often stolen, or smuggled in from other countries. No criminal would legally buy a gun under their license and then commit a crime with it, we've proven that in Canada with our long gun registry. It makes no sense, here in Canada I can't by a Glock because i don't have a license for restricted firearms, but my PAL allows me to have my .338 mag.

    Forget constitutional rights, fundamentally gun control works about as well as the war on drugs. With every other social issue in the world, education is the key, not big government butting into our bedrooms.

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    It's peoples irresponsible use of the gun that is a problem. Anything can be labeled a problem. Accidents will happen with or without any secondary "tool." Do accidents happen involving guns? Sure. Do accidents happen involving cars? Sure. Hell, I know a man who simple fell this week, broke his neck and died. No sh!t. It just happened. Maybe we need to revisit automobile laws and restrict travel so as to reduce hwy accidents. You can "what if" something to death but rest assured, the more involve government regulation in anything the more the "problem" will be exacerbated. We really ought to legitimately enforce what we have first. We don't enforce...we just write more regulatory laws and think that solves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    yes i know that fact about the Mob

    as far as the hunting and shot guns killing more. Do you think its just a numbers thing? That more people own them so thats what makes the numbers higher?
    I would assume so. Out of the households that own guns, probably 99% have a shotgun or deer rifle.

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    The problem with MORE gun legislastion is it really does basically effect law abiding citizens. Criminals or peeps with big rap sheets won't give a shit if they get another ding on their record for handgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    yes i know that fact about the Mob

    as far as the hunting and shot guns killing more. Do you think its just a numbers thing? That more people own them so thats what makes the numbers higher?
    It is exactly what it is. More housholds throughout the US own a shotgun or rifle typicaly used for hunting (non assault rifle type) and therfore more violent gun crimes are committed with these types of guns. Yes you see the school shootings and the Dade County shootout and the California Bank robbery shootout but you DON't see all of the domestic violence involving "normal" guns that occur daily.

    You really can't blame a particular gun for being more dangerous than another simply because it has a title "assualt rifle". They are indeed used by oppurtunistic criminals and violent offenders...but I'm not sure banning a certain type or even banning them all together would lower our violent crime rate in the us ...the issue is bigger than things thatb go bang!

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    I am in no way a "gun nut" but unless and until you actually have a gun pointed directly at you by someone illegally possessing one during the commission of a crime, it's hard to armchair quarterback. Very easy to hypothesize but completely different in real life. Now, once you've actually been shot at in those circumstances your opinion will change even more. I will never be without a concealed carry permit......

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    yes i know that fact about the Mob

    as far as the hunting and shot guns killing more. Do you think its just a numbers thing? That more people own them so thats what makes the numbers higher?
    It is exactly what it is. More housholds throughout the US own a shotgun or rifle typicaly used for hunting (non assault rifle type) and therfore more violent gun crimes are committed with these types of guns. Yes you see the school shootings and the Dade County shootout and the California Bank robbery shootout but you DON't see all of the domestic violence involving "normal" guns that occur daily.

    You really can't blame a particular gun for being more dangerous than another simply because it has a title "assualt rifle". They are indeed used by oppurtunistic criminals and violent offenders...but I'm not sure banning a certain type or even banning them all together would lower our violent crime rate in the us ...the issue is bigger than things thatb go bang!

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    the goverments' unwillingness to protect and treat the mentally ill is what causes these types of shootings...

    apply that level of judgement in every case that is purported in recent news articles and see if it fits..

    woman kills 2 with a knife after being asked to clean the apartment while providing day care to children..

    man kills people in movie theatre

    man kills wife then self at his place of work..

    man kills employer and co workers..

    what is the common denominator?? mental illness or access to weapons..

    the governments unwillingness to protect us from mentally ill people..
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    I think the Ak-47 has such baggage because it can be an automatic weapon and do lots of damage. A hunting rifle will typically be a semi and same with shotguns and handguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by likelifting View Post
    The problem with MORE gun legislastion is it really does basically effect law abiding citizens. Criminals or peeps with big rap sheets won't give a shit if they get another ding on their record for handgun.
    i def agree with that. Maybe stricter laws for people caught with illegal guns.
    but i stand by my opinion that nobody needs huge round clips law abiding citizen or not. there should be some kind of limits on what is legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spywizard View Post
    the goverments' unwillingness to protect and treat the mentally ill is what causes these types of shootings...

    apply that level of judgement in every case that is purported in recent news articles and see if it fits..

    woman kills 2 with a knife after being asked to clean the apartment while providing day care to children..

    man kills people in movie theatre

    man kills wife then self at his place of work..

    man kills employer and co workers..

    what is the common denominator?? mental illness or access to weapons..

    the governments unwillingness to protect us from mentally ill people..
    Don't get me started on the role of the government. Its not the governments responsibility to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    i def agree with that. Maybe stricter laws for people caught with illegal guns.
    but i stand by my opinion that nobody needs huge round clips law abiding citizen or not. there should be some kind of limits on what is legal.
    And there is clip limits here in CA. Most handguns are 7s or 8s. The 15 round clips are no longer legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I am in no way a "gun nut" but unless and until you actually have a gun pointed directly at you by someone illegally possessing one during the commission of a crime, it's hard to armchair quarterback. Very easy to hypothesize but completely different in real life. Now, once you've actually been shot at in those circumstances your opinion will change even more. I will never be without a concealed carry permit......
    i've been in a club while a shooting happened and someone was killed.
    i've had a person pull a gun on me and had it pointed at my chest from maybe 2ft away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by likelifting View Post
    And there is clip limits here in CA. Most handguns are 7s or 8s. The 15 round clips are no longer legal.
    is that a state by state thing?
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    Yes it is. CA is the most strict, AFAICT.

    Look CCPs. Not gonna happen here in CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    i've been in a club while a shooting happened and someone was killed.
    i've had a person pull a gun on me and had it pointed at my chest from maybe 2ft away.
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    is that a state by state thing?
    I told ya what I'd do if you were hitting on my wife lol

    Yes the great COUNTRY of California basicly has a state imposed assault rifle ban....hmmm wonder if it has lowered gun violence in LA lo

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    I own and collect guns. I hunt with a Custom 6.8spc AR15.
    I have my CPL .
    I have also never committed a crime never been to jail. Grown up in a rather big city .

    I think it all has to do in how you were raised. I was raised to respect guns. Treat others how I'd want to be treated. Protect my family ( at all costs )

    Your commits about rednecks owning guns is a perfect example media perception.

    There are far more gun crimes in the city then in the country where the rednecks live. But you seem to believe the rednecks have the problem with guns. When its quite the opposite . The rednecks are just the ones who are vocal about it because they own their guns legally and committed no crime.

    Next you want be able to have a car that does over 70mph because more people die at speeds in excess of 70mph.

    Or eat a steak because a baby choked on a steak in another state.

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