anyone take blood thinners and hbp meds while on cycle

[poppz]

im off cycle with good bp but it does get high while on so for my next one i will get meds but im also worried about clotting and wondering if i need both while on cycle?

[Bonaparte]

Do not self-medicate with blood thinners (apart from aspirin). Most BP meds are fine. Start with an ACE inhibitor.

[Times Roman]

I take baby aspirin and BP meds

[fit2bOld]

BP meds no problem

[K-nut 2129]

If your diet is clean and you're on a BP med I wouldn't be too worried about it. Plus assuming that you'll be training, your chances of a clot are significantly lowered. At most I'd recommend a baby aspirin. Omega 3 and 6 fats will help thin your blood too so those should be included in your diet/supplement regimen.

[OnTheSauce]

I've taken cozaar for high Tren cycles. Helped some.

[AnabolicDoc]

I would definitely stay away from the blood thinners (and I don't mean aspirin) unless you need them medically. Also intramuscular injections are best avoided while ppl are on blood thinners bc of the tendency to form hematomas. Also, androgens can interfere with some blood thinners (for instance if mixed with Coumadin, the blood thinning effect will be enhanced and there will be an increase in bleeding time.)

Aspirin is recommended for all men over 40 by the US Task Force for Disease Prevention. It tends to be more efficacious in preventing arterial clots (such as a heart attack) rather than prevent clots in the veins (DVTs). I don't know if you should be taking an aspirin when on cycle as it depends on a lot of factors.

Controlling BP is always recommended whether through low salt diet (less than 2gm per day), aerobic activity, and/or medication (under a doctor's supervision). If you're pulse is fast too, consider something like a beta-blocker (and if u have asthma then make sure it's a selective beta-blocker, such as nebivolol, metoprolol, and atenolol). Non-selective beta-blockers, such as carvedilol or propranolol are generally not considered first line agents in treating HBP. Otherwise first line BP meds also include:

1) Diuretics, like hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ), if you don't mind the constant peeing. And somehow it still works even if you drink plenty of water (except in heart failure patients).

2) Angiotensin 2 Receptor Blockers (ARB's) - the generic ones are losartan, irbesartan, and eprosartan

3) Angiotensin Converting Enzyme Inhibitors (ACE-I's) -they work similarly to ARBs but with increased side effects. They are less expensive however. Almost, if not all of them are available generically.

ARB's and ACE-I's should not be taken in women of reproductive age bc of birth defects.

ARB's and ACE-I's are often found in combo pills with HCTZ because they have a synergistic effect. I think these combo pills are the best for AAS users without a rapid pulse. But they will make you urinate a lot so you need to drink plenty of water.

4) CCB's are also considered first line, but specifically amlodipine (Norvasc). Most of the other CCB's are not considered first line treatments.

5) Tekturna is a direct renin inhibitor that has been approved for first line use. But it only comes in brand and has only been out for less than 5 years I think.

I know many ppl like clonidine bc it can be closely titrated, but it needs to be taken more than once per day and can be too strong for some ppl, even at its lowest dose. It's also not considered a first line BP med.

If you have specific questions, feel free to ask. Also, definitely invest in a blood pressure cuff.

[poppz]

ok fellas thnx for the input.

[tod24]

i used to take asprin while on dbol helps with the headaches..

[PEWN]

i used to take asprin while on dbol helps with the headaches..

I actually agree. I only get higher bp on dbol. This causes headaches. I usually take a 1 goodies powder pack a day.

[K-nut 2129]

4) CCB's are also considered first line, but specifically amlodipine (Norvasc). Most of the other CCB's are not considered first line treatments.

Personally, I would reccommend staying away from CCB unles you have HR issues and or heart rhythm issues. Their affects on BP tend to vary widely from person to person and can be anywhere from no effect to a substantial (potentially dangerous) decrease in BP

[MuscleInk]

I would definitely stay away from the blood thinners (and I don't mean aspirin) unless you need them medically. Also intramuscular injections are best avoided while ppl are on blood thinners bc of the tendency to form hematomas. Also, androgens can interfere with some blood thinners (for instance if mixed with Coumadin, the blood thinning effect will be enhanced and there will be an increase in bleeding time.)

Aspirin is recommended for all men over 40 by the US Task Force for Disease Prevention. It tends to be more efficacious in preventing arterial clots (such as a heart attack) rather than prevent clots in the veins (DVTs). I don't know if you should be taking an aspirin when on cycle as it depends on a lot of factors.

Controlling BP is always recommended whether through low salt diet (less than 2gm per day), aerobic activity, and/or medication (under a doctor's supervision). If you're pulse is fast too, consider something like a beta-blocker (and if u have asthma then make sure it's a selective beta-blocker, such as nebivolol, metoprolol, and atenolol). Non-selective beta-blockers, such as carvedilol or propranolol are generally not considered first line agents in treating HBP. Otherwise first line BP meds also include:

1) Diuretics, like hydrochlorothiazide (HCTZ), if you don't mind the constant peeing. And somehow it still works even if you drink plenty of water (except in heart failure patients).

2) Angiotensin 2 Receptor Blockers (ARB's) - the generic ones are losartan, irbesartan, and eprosartan

3) Angiotensin Converting Enzyme Inhibitors (ACE-I's) -they work similarly to ARBs but with increased side effects. They are less expensive however. Almost, if not all of them are available generically.

ARB's and ACE-I's should not be taken in women of reproductive age bc of birth defects.

ARB's and ACE-I's are often found in combo pills with HCTZ because they have a synergistic effect. I think these combo pills are the best for AAS users without a rapid pulse. But they will make you urinate a lot so you need to drink plenty of water.

4) CCB's are also considered first line, but specifically amlodipine (Norvasc). Most of the other CCB's are not considered first line treatments.

5) Tekturna is a direct renin inhibitor that has been approved for first line use. But it only comes in brand and has only been out for less than 5 years I think.

I know many ppl like clonidine bc it can be closely titrated, but it needs to be taken more than once per day and can be too strong for some ppl, even at its lowest dose. It's also not considered a first line BP med.

If you have specific questions, feel free to ask. Also, definitely invest in a blood pressure cuff.

Excellent post my good colleague. Wish I spotted this sooner. I concur, blood thinners are NOT recommended. Even aspirin while cycling is something that should be carefully monitored. I was taking a single dose aspirin on cycle last year and had three hematomas before I decided enough was enough.

Maintain a healthy BP through nutritional intervention or any of the HTN management drugs AD has commented on.

Blood thinners are NOT advisable.

[austinite]

Cialis for me. Great Nitric Oxide booster, too.

[ironbeck]

Yes, when running high mgs, I run cialis at 5mg eod keeps me in the 112/70's range, also I like to take a couple alive pre-workout it really seems to help with cardio(for me)

[Turkish Juicer]

Cialis is the ultimate winner.

[AnabolicDoc]

Personally, I would reccommend staying away from CCB unles you have HR issues and or heart rhythm issues. Their affects on BP tend to vary widely from person to person and can be anywhere from no effect to a substantial (potentially dangerous) decrease in BP

I agree. That's actually why I specified amlodipine as the only CCB that's considered first line (although technically any dihydropyridine can be used):

" 4) CCB's are also considered first line, but specifically amlodipine (Norvasc). Most of the other CCB's are not considered first line treatments."

The CCBs you're referring to are in the subclass non-dihydropyridines. They affect cardiac rhythm and as you stated are not advisable first-line agents.

The most common concern with either subclass of CCBs is peripheral swelling (edema) due to peripheral vasodilation. It's a real pain in any situation and is why many steer clear of CCBs altogether.

For those of you that get a good response with low dose Cialis, it's likely bc you're not prone to high blood pressure (regardless of diet and weight).

For instance, high blood pressure runs in my family no matter how thin you are, how much you exercise, and how well you eat. I can't take tren, almost any oral, or any high dose AAS without blood pressure medication. This is likely the case for anyone who has a strong positive family history of hypertension.

[TMan96]

I agree. That's actually why I specified amlodipine as the only CCB that's considered first line (although technically any dihydropyridine can be used):

" 4) CCB's are also considered first line, but specifically amlodipine (Norvasc). Most of the other CCB's are not considered first line treatments."

The CCBs you're referring to are in the subclass non-dihydropyridines. They affect cardiac rhythm and as you stated are not advisable first-line agents.

The most common concern with either subclass of CCBs is peripheral swelling (edema) due to peripheral vasodilation. It's a real pain in any situation and is why many steer clear of CCBs altogether.

For those of you that get a good response with low dose Cialis, it's likely bc you're not prone to high blood pressure (regardless of diet and weight).

For instance, high blood pressure runs in my family no matter how thin you are, how much you exercise, and how well you eat. I can't take tren, almost any oral, or any high dose AAS without blood pressure medication. This is likely the case for anyone who has a strong positive family history of hypertension.

Do the combo meds like Diovan do anything to reduce hemo/hematocrit? Also for aspirin would you recommend the normal daily LD or should that be more while on cycle? Would it make any difference if you are also on Diovan?