8 weeks Test Prop & Tren Ace

[< <Samson> >]

It's about that time, I will be starting my cycle tomorrow.

Running:

GenSys - Test Prop @ .8ml EOD (80mg) - first 2 weeks, then 100mg EOD for the last 6
GenSys - Tren Ace @ .8ml EOD (80mg) - first 2 weeks, then 100mg EOD for the last 6

B12 @ 1ml mixed with both oils <Possibly 2ml< EOD

Caber @ .25mg Every 3rd day(possibly 4th)

Still considering staying on the EC stack. But, I don't know if it will be necessary.

HCG blast for the last 4 weeks straight into PCT @ 250iu Every 3rd day(possibly EOD)

Very Aggressive PCT:

Clomid 100mg/75mg/50mg/50mg/50mg
Nolvadex 40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg/20mg

I have been "on" for nearly six months, running a TRT type dosage for the last four months while cutting.

Weighing in right now @ 197 flat. Bf% IMO is right around 13%. Waist is slightly over 33"(my 34 pants are loose, but stay on), bi's are almost 17.5" on a full pump, slightly over 17" cold. . . . I am the biggest and leanest I have ever been, period. It took over a year to get here and maybe I didn't go about it the best way possible, but it worked pretty well. Can't complain so far, everything has been real stable so far.


Diet break down is pretty simple.

2,700 cal +
250g's of protein + +(the more the better, closer to 300)
250g's of carbs (possibly a little less)
Null fat g's (the less the better)

Diet consists of: chicken, fish, protein powder, egg whites, greens, whole wheat bread, brown rice, Greek yogurt, oats and some fruit. I drink on extremely rare occasion(maybe once a month if that), hardly slip up and eat garbage.


Lifts are still very respectable, strength has not dropped much since my last real cycle. - Maybe about 10% at most.


I'll be keeping this updated whenever there is a notable difference in anything. Still really have no idea what to expect from this cycle. I'd love to end up at about 205 pounds even leaner than I am now.

[MickeyKnox]

Looks like youre all set. Good luck Samson.

[Buster Brown]

Should be a great cycle. Interseted to see how you make out with your pct. Did you run hcg and an AI during your cruise/trt dose? Good luck.

[ironbeck]

Dude I just want to say you have totally transformed yourself and your looking good, oh and the cycle looks solid, should be fun.....good luck!

[kronik420]

sub'd

why the different dosage for the 1st 2 weeks?

i wanna try tren soon too..

[ironbeck]

sub'd

why the different dosage for the 1st 2 weeks?

i wanna try tren soon too..

I believe this is sammys first go a round with tren and he IMO is ramping to introduce his body to this wonderful compound, some ppl freak on tren. If your an ass hole it makes you a bigger ass hole lol
Just an example sam , not saying your an A-hole lol

[kronik420]

I believe this is sammys first go a round with tren and he IMO is ramping to introduce his body to this wonderful compound, some ppl freak on tren. If your an ass hole it makes you a bigger ass hole lol
Just an example sam , not saying your an A-hole lol

lol ok

im planning on basically the same cycle

test p and tren a 100mg EOD (of each) for 8 weeks

will be stalking this thread

[< <Samson> >]

Shot 100mg of Tren Ace and 100mg of prop. Just got freaked a little since the oil looked way different than I expected.

Color or not, I seem to be having a strange deep dry cough. Went straight through a vein on one delt. Most blood I seen run out post a shot yet. But, barely any oil went in, it was mostly b12.

I wanted to hit a lower dosage due to just what IB mentioned. I am an ass hole, and adding stuff to make that worse isn't something I just wanted to dive right into.


I ran HCG for my original blast and the following month of the TRT dosage. Ran b12 the whole time and no Ai since the original test blast.

[< <Samson> >]

Shot #3 today. . . All good so far, seem to be sweating more during workouts and just feel overall warmer.

Weight is right at 199 as of this morning. All measurements are back to normal and the water seems to have mostly dropped. Waist is right under 34" - Arms are right over 17"

Trying my best to keep the solid calorie count but with good numbers, hard to eat lots of lean food all day.

Taking Caber every 3 days and now Armidex EOD at .25


Still don't know what to expect from this shit. No PIP at all of the GenSys juice though, which is kinda nice.

Dropped my test down to 50mg EOD and Tren is at 80mg. I'll most likely bump them up within a week or 2.


Nothing else special, just the last workout seemed much more intense but it could be from my new custom made pre workout drink(scoop of c4 & scoop and half of Jack3d).

Stopping the EC stack as of today, I might just take it randomly for energy but not on a every day basis any more.

[Antonious]

Good luck, will be checking on progress. Will have tren cycle myself soon

[Buster Brown]

Nice pre-workout cocktail, doing something similar.

[kaiblade]

is this the first cycle with tren? how is the gains compared to running just test in 6 months? thought of trying out tren if its worth all the hype.

[< <Samson> >]

I had no true gains while running 4+ months of TRT dosed test. I lost most of my fat during this time and could go real harsh on my cal deficit without any muscle loss or strength loss(maybe a little strength loss).

As far as the gains so far off the Tren & Prop. It's too early to tell. I feel mad pumped 70% of the day. Vascularity is highest I ever seen on myself.

But, true LBM gain is still too early to determine. I'm weighing in @ right under 202 right now. Seem to be just as lean.

[< <Samson> >]

A pretty sad today, I found a growth in my right moob.

It is a growth for sure, what? I don't know until I see the MD in a week or so.


Dealing with it the best way I know how, sucks ass. . . . But, this is the shit we are dealing with here.

Yes, I am on a Ai and a low dose of test. I ran more test before without a Ai without issues and just got a little irresponsible I guess. This shit seems to just creep up on guys out of nowhere. Been reading on it a bit today, pretty shitty.

It seems when I retained water for a short time, my estrogen most likely spiked(maybe) and caused this.


I can't say exactly what it is myself. It is not behind the nipple and it does not hurt. Feels like a nodule in the marked circle and running where the line is. Never felt it before and found it on my daily moob inspection.

[largerthannormal]

Damn dude your a lot more cut than your old pics, I'll be running similar cycle in a few weeks, keep us updated!! I'll be following

[< <Samson> >]

Damn dude your a lot more cut than your old pics

Thanks yo


But, the gyno shit's a bitch. I am definitely trying not to fvck with it myself until I get to my M.D.

Weight is right under 201. . . Strength is great, but I sure do get winded like no other and sweat like crazy.

[FONZY007]

Thanks yo

But, the gyno shit's a bitch. I am definitely trying not to fvck with it myself until I get to my M.D.

Weight is right under 201. . . Strength is great, but I sure do get winded like no other and sweat like crazy.

Why are u assuming its gyno?

[< <Samson> >]

Why are u assuming its gyno?

Well, bro I can't say it is gyno for sure. It feels more like a few swollen lymph nodes right of my nipple.

But, what I do know is that it is new. It was not there a few days ago. . . . .

[FONZY007]

Well, bro I can't say it is gyno for sure. It feels more like a few swollen lymph nodes right of my nipple.

But, what I do know is that it is new. It was not there a few days ago. . . . .

Hope it's nothing to worry about.

Keep us informed

[Buster Brown]

My brother had gyno creep up on him for the first time when we ran our last tes/tren cycle. We both used an AI/HCG, kept clean diets and ran the Tes @ 300 mgs and the Tren @ 400 mgs. He started to get the lump around week 8 and did an abbreviated 2 week Letro run. He felt like garbage after a week on letro (still cotinued the cycle) but the lump went away. At that point he was at week 10 and decided to cut the cycle at 10 weeks. Since then he hasn't any more problems despite never running the Letro for the full protocol. His was offset like yours and hard about the size of a nickel. Not saying he went about handling it the right way by not following the full Letro protocol, just sharing the experience.

[< <Samson> >]

Thought about jumping on letro and taking that route.

But, I need to have a M.D. tell me what it is first. It does not seem like a one piece mass, but more like enlarged glands.


As of right now, I started taking Tamoxifen at 20mg per day broken into two 10mg doses. Don't really know what else to say except that it sucks.

But, juice effects damn near every part of our bodies. You don't read about swollen lymph nodes from steroid use. Or even anything on how it "may" cause an enlarged prostate.

All real shit, that people just take for granted. From damn near the first time you stick yourself with that steel pin you open your body to a whole new world of inner damage.


Sure would be nice to do whatever without any negative consequences. . . . But, that's just not how life works.

Pic as of this A.M. No juicy huge bitch tits yet, or any other major notable differences.

[Gaspaco]

Doesn't look like gyno to me, I had some water retention behind my nipple during cycle.

But don't let it ruin your cycle buddy, don't get frustrated!

[< <Samson> >]

Back from the doc, no gyno. First words out of his mouth were; You run a steroid cycle? My answer; Of course not, just a PH run of the pills that are available OTC at Sam's Club.

He said everything looked fine, I just may be experiencing a bit of a hormone fluctuation which is causing some breast tissue enlargement. But, no growth or anything else negative.

Sweet, made my fvcking day. . . .


Also the train seems to be in full motion. Nothing insane or anything, but my waist is right under 33.5" bi's are right over 17.25" and I'm weighing in right over 198 pounds. Not bad. . . .specially since I am only on day 12. Levels should be just peaking.

This makes me feel much better about my next bulk cycle(deca, Tren and test).

[ChipChelios]

Hey Samson, nice to see its not Gyno, must of been a huge weight off your shoulders hehe..

I'm curious why you picked test tren for your current cycle. Just out of curiosity, cause you mentioned you're gonna do test tren deca after this one.

I'm just curious is all I'm trying to figure ou what I'm gonna do next

[< <Samson> >]

For sure, it's just nice to know that I am not sprouting bitch tits.

I wanted to use Tren mainly because of what everyone said. It's the strongest steroid and it seemed very cost effective compared to some of the others.

Seems like a good muscle building compound but with some harsher sides. But, I think the sides aren't as bad at lower doses.

[Buster Brown]

That's great news!!!! Sounds like you are firing on all cylinders, now go and CRUSH IT!

[ChipChelios]

For sure, it's just nice to know that I am not sprouting bitch tits.

I wanted to use Tren mainly because of what everyone said. It's the strongest steroid and it seemed very cost effective compared to some of the others.

Seems like a good muscle building compound but with some harsher sides. But, I think the sides aren't as bad at lower doses.

Pretty much what I was thinking... Tbh deca scares me more than tren ... Deca dick sounds rough lol...

[Rosscoboy]

For sure, it's just nice to know that I am not sprouting bitch tits.

I wanted to use Tren mainly because of what everyone said. It's the strongest steroid and it seemed very cost effective compared to some of the others.

Seems like a good muscle building compound but with some harsher sides. But, I think the sides aren't as bad at lower doses.

Hey Samson, good to hear everythin went well for you bro.

How is your cycle progressing??, as were both doing pretty much the same cycle.

Im on my third week now and havent noticed really any gains mass or in the gym. My diet is on point and pretty much eat the same off cycle as on. My last cycle was dbol,sust and deca and I gained at least 18lbs off of this cycle and was lifting more in the gym.

Ive heard some guys say gaining 20lbs the first three weeks on tren is the norm but I think thats bullshit myself.

Are you experiencing the same as me?? Im getting the sides (sweating, struggling to sleep) but not getting any of the good stuff, Hopefully week four will bring some better results

[< <Samson> >]

Same exact shit here. . . Every once in a while(like once a day for about an hour), I get mad pumps. It's a little harder to sleep, just a tiny bit. I am showing a bit more vascularity, but that's it.

Strength is the same, size is nice and stable. But, no "real" gains. . . I swear I can the same results as of now with just prop. But, the random once daily pumps are nice.

But, seriously nothing too impressive - yet. But, like I mentioned before. What do you expect in 2 weeks? If you are gaining an amazing one pound of LBM per week you still would not notice physical differences for at least a month. One pound of LBM seems very hard to get per week, if not impossible. And how would you measure one pound? It would equal about one tenth of an inch on my arms. That's just not measurable. . . This of course is going by LBM only.

Like when I hit the dbal, I just inflated within a week. But, it's not LBM weight or size. It's just water retention within the muscle that drops later on.

I know we wanna just go Incredible Hulk and just start packing on muscle after every shot. But, nothing does that. Well, maybe if you go crazy and pump a gram a week.

I'm not too worried about using deca. Seems like a good bulking compound.

[< <Samson> >]

Ummm, okay. . . I feel pretty jacked now. Nothing way insane, but I can tell a difference. I never had this much vascularity ever.

[auswest]

Looking good Samson,you got me thinking about my coming cycle in 6 weeks of prop/tren.. Can't wait. Just about to start my prime.

[bp2000]

Nice work you look lke you got your diet on the right track looking lean! When you were cruising you notice a difference on TRT dose of test any feeling of well being or is it to low to tell a difference from natty?

[< <Samson> >]

Seems to be working. . .

According to my POS digital caliper I am down from 14.5% to 12.5% < I say more like from 16.5% to 14.5%

But, this is while gaining weight.Went from 197 to barely over 200.

[< <Samson> >]

Nice work you look lke you got your diet on the right track looking lean! When you were cruising you notice a difference on TRT dose of test any feeling of well being or is it to low to tell a difference from natty?

Yeah, the diet is way dialed in.


Yes, the cruise was pretty nice. I hit my diet hard some days and only took in 1,200 calories and still maintained my strength. I wanted to go for more of a recomp. But, just got tired of being too jiggly.


Now, I am somewhat considering staying on. But, I think I will still PCT out. My natural numbers were great before this long ass run. But, being on a TRT type dosage is nice. Diet and workouts are much more forgiving. It's like being on a long very mild cycle. But, when you drop into your TRT dosage from a cycle, you still feel the test drop. I lost my libido almost like on PCT.

[Buster Brown]

Glad to see it's kicking in for ya. How are your lifts?

[< <Samson> >]

How are your lifts?

Nothing special, just feel more powerful. If I had to put a number on it, maybe up 5%+ all around.

[Buster Brown]

I just noticed (Dah!) that you are keeping your calories (2700) pretty much at maintenance so I would imagine you are still going for the recomp. Have you been carb cycling at all or are you keeping your carbs the same everyday? Looking to do a very similar diet and cycle as well this summer.

[< <Samson> >]

I just noticed (Dah!) that you are keeping your calories (2700) pretty much at maintenance so I would imagine you are still going for the recomp. Have you been carb cycling at all or are you keeping your carbs the same everyday? Looking to do a very similar diet and cycle as well this summer.

Actually my cals are even lower. I am running at 22-2500 every day. No carb cycling, my daily #'s are 22-25 cals fat under 50 carbs are right @ 200 and protein is 250+

I am treating this more of a cut/recomp and it seems to be working. I am pushing my cals very close to 25 every day now. But, on off days I sometimes drop to 22.

I still seem to be gaining LBM and losing fat though. Just back in from the gym after an insane tri and ab workout. My bi's are very close to 17.75" which is damn amazing. Weighing in right under 200 as of this morning.


Good stuff, but still no in hulk status by any means. Now, I am on the full 1ml of prop and Tren eod along with a ml of b12 eod.

Appetite is nuts, It's hard to stop myself from eating all day.

I am currently trying to kick my diet just a bit higher. I'd love to see 205 by the end of cycle.


Still really looking forward to my next bulk, since I have some dank juice on hand. After that run I'm hoping to level off over 215 and right around 13% bf.


Diet diet diet < we are what we eat. It seems to be even worse on the sauce. With more shit foods I grow very quickly. But, not a good kind of growing.

[OnTheSauce]

Man im jealous of your appetite! I never want to eat on Tren! Looking good man. Def bigger and the vascularity is coming in.

[< <Samson> >]

I don't mind the appetite. But, it makes it hard to stick to clean foods I'm large amounts.

Feel like I can just eat all day. < and I don't think that'd be a good idea.