Not Natty Anymore - Clenbuterol Cycle, first stuff ever

[Dark_Ansem]

So, after several discussions, suggestions and misunderstandings, I've decided to give a go with Clenbuterol. it appears to be the "safest" option (despite the fact that everything among DNP, AAS and even this can kill, for one effect or the other, if used improperly), also for muscle as, while not being anabolic in humans, it is at least anti-catabolic to a certain degree.

I am following a 2days on/2 days off cycle, upping the dose until I feel "the shakes" (still unsure of what that will mean, I'd say I'll understand it once I experience it). While I am positive that my clen is good and not a scam (got it at an actual pharmacy via prescription - here it is often suggested to people affected by asthma - , 30caps, 20mcg each), I'd rather start safe.
I do however have some t3 (again, got at the pharmacy, 20mcg per caps, 50 caps and very cheap), so if someone feels that, because of clen effects, t3 production is lowered and I could benefit from it, feel free to suggest.

doses will be split through the day once I break the 2-caps treshold and administered depending on the clen effect: if I fall in that 8% category of people feeling drowsy after taking it, I'll start taking it before bed.

Day 1
weight: 84,8 kg - 186, 9 lbs, for those of you used to the imperial system

Clen: 10mcg at rise, empty stomach. still following IF so won't eat anything up to 13.15, possibly later if I can manage my evil plan of fasting up to dinner (or the pre-workout meal).

half a cap is not much, but it is advised to start off low and ramp it up. my prescription is still valid and the clen itself is not that expensive (less than 9€) so I cannot really complain about that. Despite that, I feel different than normal. Perhaps a bit sharper in attention, and I think my heart is beating a little faster (ah, the mind is such a wonderful stimulant - seeing things where there are none). No sweating, however, nor a rise in temperature. And, obviously, no shakes nor jitters.

[Dark_Ansem]

small update: I don't know if it's the clen or not, but with enough water food craving are much easier to bear. are 10mcg supposed to help with reducing appetite?

should I add some t3 with the clen, as it's supposed to slow/halt the t3 production (hmmm... whenever a product causes weight loss it's always the t3 which suffers... interesting)?

[Dark_Ansem]

Day 2

weight: 84,8 kg / 186,9 lbs and I wasn't the strictest, definitely, yesterday.

upping the dose to 30mcg because breaking the caps, in the end, is only a hassle. they're tiny and one always ends with underdosed stuff, as symmetry is in the eye of the beholder :P.

I'm eating out tonight, so either I will fast the whole day up to that or I'll eat the post-workout meal if I go training at lunchtime.

I wanted to add some T3 on the off days of the cycle, but @DiggyV does not recommend it. so, nope, unless he changes his mind.

[Dark_Ansem]

update: it's around 4 hours after taking the clen, 30mcg.
no shakes whatsoever. no significant rise in temperature, however. didn't feel that much of a heartbeat increase tho.
a little bit of anxiety.

today I feel the food cravings. at least IF allows up to 50cals during the fast, so I'm going to get myself TEA. sugarfree, but TEA.
doubt I'll be able to fast up until 9pm, but I'll try.

update: starting from tomorrow, since I'll be taking 2 full capsules at minimum, I'd say the dose should be split. one at sunrise, the other at noon, for example. if, go forbid, I'll need more than 2 caps I'd say I should limit assumption up to 4-5 pm, as I don't think I fall in that 8% of people who feel drowsy after taking clen.
it also really helps in managing food cravings. rather than a tremendous sudden one, I have a more moderate, but continuous one.

on a sidenote, this should stay here or in the Lose weight cycle?

[smred]

I ran clen and had great results, lose a lot of muscle if you're not getting enough cals/protein though. Your dose seems low, I didn't feel effects till 80mcg and increased to 120mcg doing 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

[Dark_Ansem]

well, I'd rather start safe than sorry. I can still do it 2 weeks on/off rather than 2 days.
I could get ketotifen too, but honestly, would that be worth the hassle?

can an expert member chime in and say his own about t3?

[spiralkut]

clen is alot safer then t3

[kronik420]

t3 needs to be stacked with test, as it can burn your muscle away...

stats?

[Dark_Ansem]

Day 3:

weight: 85,4 kg - 188,27 lbs

yep, I weigh more. however, that's not all "real" weight, as yesterday, while I managed to eat no more than 550kcal before dinner, I finished later (slow table service).
a dinner made mostly of white (pork) meat, with just a few carbs at the end (strawberries with some ice-cream). Usually, however, I tended to weigh way more than that the "day after".
so, I can say this thing works. I'm also starting to feel the heat I'd say, but I'll await confirmation of that.

decided to up the dose to 60mcg.

so, first cap now.

next one at around 11-12

last one at around 15-16

@kronik420 what stats do you want?

[kronik420]

age, height, bf%, goal..

[Dark_Ansem]

Age: 24
Height: 6 feet
BF: between 20 and 15%
goal: lose the stubborn gynoid fat. without losing muscle mass.

[kronik420]

after reading your other thread too, stick with the clen, as you need to inject test if using t3...

also don't be afraid to up your dose... up to 120mcg/day..

[Dark_Ansem]

after reading your other thread too, stick with the clen, as you need to inject test if using t3...

also don't be afraid to up your dose... up to 120mcg/day..

looking for the maximum tolerable

[kronik420]

looking for the maximum tolerable

but dont go over 120mcg/day

higher dosages can lead to heart problems..

[Dark_Ansem]

second dose up. no real issues whatsoever, except, perhaps, a bit of heartburn. and an intermittent headache.

[kronik420]

i tend to feel the sides about an hour after i take my clen, but only lasts for about an hour... and are tolerable..

[Dark_Ansem]

yes, they are. and keeping the dose spread is somewhat helping with cravings.

[Dark_Ansem]

update:
new temperature; 37.5° C
which, despite being in summer, is definitely not normal. if anything, it could be a sign of it working.
I am also getting the same feeling of when I have fever: a sort of weakness, concentrated in the legs but also a bit in the arms.


however, I'm considering stopping it, get a bloodwork done as someone has theorized I could suffer from "aromatase excess syndrome", and thus everything I do is useless and in fact I could be at a risk for death/heart failure because of unnecessary stress.

[Dark_Ansem]

update:
well, guess what? 60mcgs assumed before 1pm at 3 different intervals are more than enough to cause me "the shakes" and a rise of body temperature up to 38,2 C°.
ah, if only I had known of this pill when I went to school.

I'd say it's official then: my sweet-spot for clen is either 40, 50 or 60mcg. what do you think?

[baseline_9]

You don't need clen to achieve what you want to achieve....

And a 2 on 2 off routine is pointless....

I found 10 days on 5 days off to be very effective.....

[Dark_Ansem]

Temperature: 38,3 C°. still hot, but more manageable. and no drowsiness at all, in fact, I'm very sharp, except for a small weakness in the legs.
why wouldn't I need it? I think I do.

[baseline_9]

Because your 20% bodyfat....

[Dark_Ansem]

then who is supposed to use clen? 3% bf?

[BG]

then who is supposed to use clen? 3% bf?

No body, body fat can be dieted and burnt off through cardio. Lazy people use clen to shed bf.

[Dark_Ansem]

sometimes, a booster is needed to win a long, long race.

[Back In Black]

sometimes, PATIENCE is needed to win a long, long race.

I fixed that for you.

[Dark_Ansem]

I fixed that for you.

no. that's your opinion. because being on diet since 17 is NOT funny.

[baseline_9]

Maybe learn to diet.... Speaking from experience, there are no short cuts.... Everyone wants the secret, magic formula to get them ripped with no effort...

Here is the secret...... There is no secret. Getting in shape comes down to well structured nutrition, training and cardio and as above, patience...

[Dark_Ansem]

Maybe learn to diet.... Speaking from experience, there are no short cuts.... Everyone wants the secret, magic formula to get them ripped with no effort...

Here is the secret...... There is no secret. Getting in shape comes down to well structured nutrition, training and cardio and as above, patience...

I have seen several nutritionits, lost weight then suddendly I was still following it and boom, reverse tendency. so, don't talk me about patience.

[Back In Black]

Post your fat loss diet please. Include calories and macro's.

Also list your weight and bodyfat% and your workout plan including cardio.

[baseline_9]

I have seen several nutritionits, lost weight then suddendly I was still following it and boom, reverse tendency. so, don't talk me about patience.

Bullshit

[Dark_Ansem]

Bullshit

your approval is inconsequential.

[baseline_9]

your approval is inconsequential.

Excellent.... Do what you like... Accept no advise...

I can assure you your attempt at cutting will be futile without addressing the basics and relying on drugs (which won't make up the difference anyway)

[Dark_Ansem]

Excellent.... Do what you like... Accept no advise...

I can assure you your attempt at cutting will be futile without addressing the basics and relying on drugs (which won't make up the difference anyway)

Sorry, but you behaved like a turd. I told you exactly what I have done and your comment was "bullshit". no respect of what I've endured in those years (except a small parenthesis when I had no scale, 6 months between 18yo and 19yo). Not being able to enjoy a holiday because of calorie count, re-learning how to eat, etc.
Dude, honestly, I'd be more prone to accept your advice if you were more kind. and willing to hear.
-actually, what you said was bullshit happened as my last diet, made by a pro which I'd love to be able to contact again (too far from him). it worked for around 4 months then suddendly it reversed. and he was my personal, so I was always training with him etc.

Last Day:
Weight: 83,6 kg - 184,3

matter is, however... considering the sides were severe this time (They looked like a full-fledged flu) how do I know I didn't get a real flu, rather than being the effects of the Clen?

[Back In Black]

Post your fat loss diet please. Include calories and macro's.

Also list your weight and bodyfat% and your workout plan including cardio.

Any response?

And you might wanna watch how you speak to staff who are just being honest!

[Dark_Ansem]

update: temperature rising again up to 38°C. but today I haven't taken anything.
I guess I got the real flu.

[baseline_9]

I'm not buying the statement that a nutrition plan worked for 4 months and then all of a sudden it flipped on its head and started reversing....

That just stinks of bullshit IMO

But do what you want... It's your body at the end of the day... If you think you know best stick with your plan

[baseline_9]

update: temperature rising again up to 38°C. but today I haven't taken anything.
I guess I got the real flu.

Is your clen in caps or pill form?

[Dark_Ansem]

I'm not buying the statement that a nutrition plan worked for 4 months and then all of a sudden it flipped on its head and started reversing....

That just stinks of bullshit IMO

But do what you want... It's your body at the end of the day... If you think you know best stick with your plan

It did. It marked the entrace of an especially stressful period, but it did.
I do not think it's best. but I have to experiment.

Is your clen in caps or pill form?

pills.
oh, and temperature rose up to 38,5C°

[Dark_Ansem]

Any response?

And you might wanna watch how you speak to staff who are just being honest!

honesty, I can tolerate. Utter disregard for what I've done, and endured, no

training.

All days:
Warm-up: 10mins of cardio

Abs: 30'' pause
4xmax (lower)
4xmax (upper)
3x50 (Oblique)

Day 1

Bench Press
12 10 8 6

Bench Press 45° / Chest press
12 10 8 6

Chest Fly
4x8-10

Pullover
3-8-10

Pulldown with rope
12 10 8 6

French Press
4x8-10

Day 2

Pulley
4x8-10

Lat machine (ew)
12 10 8 6

Rowing with Handle (?)
12 10 8 6

Pullover
3x10-8

decline barbell (?)
12 10 8 6

dumbbells (biceps)
4x 8-10

Day 3

Calf machine
12 10 8 6

Leg curl standing
4x10-8

Squat or Leg press
12 10 8 6

leg extension
4x10-8

Shoulder fly
3x10-8

delt machine with dumbbells
4x10-8

Behind the neck barbell shoulder press
12 10 8 6

Day 4
one of the previous, cycled

Weight: 83,6kg - 184,3
Body fat: approximate between 16 and 20%. I can't be more precise that that.

Diet: in another post otherwise I'll never post this.