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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Not sure why you quoted me. I was speaking of oral steroid only without testosterone administration. But to your point, they're not as readily available as you think. Testocaps are most certainly toxic. Low toxicity, but still toxic. I know you might have heard it's not of concern from Llewellyn, but it's not true. But I'm not concerned with toxicity, that can be managed.
    Sorry, I thought you were responding to my post above yours. Must have read it wrong.

    As for the liver toxic issue, here's a good short read:
    (I highlighted the part about toxicity just so it's easy to find)

    J Androl. 1994 May-Jun;15(3):212-5.
    A ten-year safety study of the oral androgen testosterone undecanoate.
    Gooren LJ.

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    Abstract
    Testosterone undecanoate (Andriol) is an oral androgen that provides the hypogonadal patient with the unmodified testosterone molecule. It was introduced in the mid-1970s. This is a report on the safety of this oral androgen. Of 35 men originally included in the study, 33 could be followed up for a minimum of 10 years. In them no alteration in the biochemical parameters of liver function could be detected. Upon annual measurements (7-9 hours after ingestion of testosterone undecanoate), serum levels of testosterone ranged between 5.4 +/- 1.9 and 6.5 +/- 1.9 nmol/L (normal range 8-24) and of 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone between 3.2 +/- 1.8 and 3.5 +/- 1.7 nmol/L (normal range 0.8-2.5). These levels remained constant during the study period, indicating that there is no increased hepatic enzymatic breakdown of the androgen over time. Eight men were older than 50 years at the start of the study. Over the 10-year period in two of them a mild reduction in urine flow was measured, whereas in the other six this could not be demonstrated. Digital examination of the prostate did not reveal signs of prostate tumors. Testosterone undecanoate appears to be a safe oral androgen. A yearly checkup of the patient on therapy with this androgen seems adequate.

    A ten-year safety study of the oral androge... [J Androl. 1994 May-Jun] - PubMed - NCBI

    As for availability, you're absolutely right, it's not abundantly available. But there are plenty of European sources that carry it...a ton of them? No, but enough to get it if you want it and if you're willing to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalject View Post
    Sorry, I thought you were responding to my post above yours. Must have read it wrong.

    As for the liver toxic issue, here's a good short read:
    (I highlighted the part about toxicity just so it's easy to find)

    J Androl. 1994 May-Jun;15(3):212-5.
    A ten-year safety study of the oral androgen testosterone undecanoate.
    Gooren LJ.

    Source
    Division of Andrology, Free University Hospital Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

    Abstract
    Testosterone undecanoate (Andriol) is an oral androgen that provides the hypogonadal patient with the unmodified testosterone molecule. It was introduced in the mid-1970s. This is a report on the safety of this oral androgen. Of 35 men originally included in the study, 33 could be followed up for a minimum of 10 years. In them no alteration in the biochemical parameters of liver function could be detected. Upon annual measurements (7-9 hours after ingestion of testosterone undecanoate), serum levels of testosterone ranged between 5.4 +/- 1.9 and 6.5 +/- 1.9 nmol/L (normal range 8-24) and of 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone between 3.2 +/- 1.8 and 3.5 +/- 1.7 nmol/L (normal range 0.8-2.5). These levels remained constant during the study period, indicating that there is no increased hepatic enzymatic breakdown of the androgen over time. Eight men were older than 50 years at the start of the study. Over the 10-year period in two of them a mild reduction in urine flow was measured, whereas in the other six this could not be demonstrated. Digital examination of the prostate did not reveal signs of prostate tumors. Testosterone undecanoate appears to be a safe oral androgen. A yearly checkup of the patient on therapy with this androgen seems adequate.

    A ten-year safety study of the oral androge... [J Androl. 1994 May-Jun] - PubMed - NCBI

    As for availability, you're absolutely right, it's not abundantly available. But there are plenty of European sources that carry it...a ton of them? No, but enough to get it if you want it and if you're willing to pay for it.
    Ok. A bit more research on my end also shows that you are correct. Thanks for citing the study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Ok. A bit more research on my end also shows that you are correct. Thanks for citing the study.
    I get one right every now and then....about every 14yrs. Thanks for noticing, lol!

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