Tren

[t-dogg]

Has any one used tren in a sporting event besides bbing or power lifting? How much of a decrease did you see in your cardio.



I've seen a few do this and say its not much difference in cardio up to 300mgs approx. not sure I believe that though....

[Fcarey32]

I say stick to test for athletics. Works for me

[spiralkut]

I used Tren A during this years season of AFL, i noticed a massive decrease. I was pretty fit because i did a full pre season and i started my cycle on the week of our 3rd practice match which was 2 weeks before round 1, by the time round 3 came my endurance was probably halved and i had constant problems with my calves becoming too tight during the game that it was making it very hard to keep running. My advice is, if your playing a sport that requires a lot of running better to just do the cycle during the off season.

[tgunn]

^ I agree with this.

I couldn't breath worth a $hit on tren..

[t-dogg]

I used Tren A during this years season of AFL, i noticed a massive decrease. I was pretty fit because i did a full pre season and i started my cycle on the week of our 3rd practice match which was 2 weeks before round 1, by the time round 3 came my endurance was probably halved and i had constant problems with my calves becoming too tight during the game that it was making it very hard to keep running. My advice is, if your playing a sport that requires a lot of running better to just do the cycle during the off season.

Did you cardio fully return after you stopped tren?

[MuscleInk]

I find trenE isn't as bad as trenA on disrupting cardio. Both will have an impact but E is easier for me to tolerate and push through.

[t-dogg]

I find trenE isn't as bad as trenA on disrupting cardio. Both will have an impact but E is easier for me to tolerate and push through.

What cardio do you do? Walking, running,sprints?

[MuscleInk]

What cardio do you do? Walking, running,sprints?

Running & biking.

EDIT:
Usually fasted, moderate intensity intervals for 1 hour, 2x a day.

[t-dogg]

Running & biking.

EDIT:
Usually fasted, moderate intensity intervals for 1 hour, 2x a day.

What were your/are tren doses with test?

[ironbeck]

Tren cardio supression peaks for me around week 5-8

[t-dogg]

Tren cardio supression peaks for me around week 5-8

Basically I'm debating for my next cycle. Test, tren maybe anavar or test, mast, anavar. Cardio I want to stay decent though.

[MuscleInk]

What were your/are tren doses with test?

Tren 600mg/wk
TestE: 1050mg/wk
Mast: 450mg/wk

[ironbeck]

Anything less than 500 isnt bad anything over and get the o2 tank ready lol

[t-dogg]

Tren 600mg/wk
TestE: 1050mg/wk
Mast: 450mg/wk

Thanks. Big decision to make soon...

[MuscleInk]

Thanks. Big decision to make soon...

As IB suggested, lower doses of tren are more friendly. You could start at 400/wk for 6 wks and then bump to more and see how you tolerate with cardio.....assuming a 12 wk cycle.

I love tren but my kidneys take a shit kicking.

[crazy mike]

When I did Tren the first time it was Tren Ace. It severely, severely decreased my cardio and that was while working out. I don't do any other sports. It effected my breathing for a month or so after cycle. I had three months off due to my hernia and during that time it came back. Now I just recently did some Tren A with some E it wasn't as bad. I came off the A and maintained the E and it wasn't half as bad on E and now I am just fine. I am older 62 just FYI and my cardio is just fine now. ...crazy mike

[t-dogg]

As IB suggested, lower doses of tren are more friendly. You could start at 400/wk for 6 wks and then bump to more and see how you tolerate with cardio.....assuming a 12 wk cycle.

I love tren but my kidneys take a shit kicking.

I was thinking like 200-300mgs of test and 300mgs of tren to start with. Maybe add anavar in, idk I've never used tren. I want to add lean mass on and of course cut fat.

[MuscleInk]

I was thinking like 200-300mgs of test and 300mgs of tren to start with. Maybe add anavar in, idk I've never used tren. I want to add lean mass on and of course cut fat.

I get best cutting with 2 hours of cardio daily. Tren and mast are best when bf is below 15% to start. I've run var twice. Seldom see anything astonishing.

[t-dogg]

I get best cutting with 2 hours of cardio daily. Tren and mast are best when bf is below 15% to start. I've run var twice. Seldom see anything astonishing.

Yeah I'm below 15%bf for sure now. Cardio I walk/run at least 4times a week right now. Anavar is amazing for me. Does tren melt fat off you?

[crazy mike]

I was thinking like 200-300mgs of test and 300mgs of tren to start with. Maybe add anavar in, idk I've never used tren. I want to add lean mass on and of course cut fat.

Did I miss this? You asked about anyone used Tren with sports. So I'm thinking that you are involved in a sport but you haven't expound on that. I will be embarrassed if I missed the point here. So now you want to put on mass and never have used Tren and I know why you might want the Tren but I can't figure the initial Q's. Where is this going....? crazy mike

[crazy mike]

Yeah I'm below 15%bf for sure now. Cardio I walk/run at least 4times a week right now. Anavar is amazing for me. Does tren melt fat off you?

I have had Tren just suck the water out of me, but nothing IMOP melts fat. Diet and cardio for that. Burn the fat with high caloric burning exercises. ...crazy mike

[t-dogg]

Did I miss this? You asked about anyone used Tren with sports. So I'm thinking that you are involved in a sport but you haven't expound on that. I will be embarrassed if I missed the point here. So now you want to put on mass and never have used Tren and I know why you might want the Tren but I can't figure the initial Q's. Where is this going....? crazy mike

Yes sports. Hints why I asked at low doses how much does it effect cardio output. I said "lean mass" . No, I've never considered it only because I know most say it makes a big hit on cardio.

[crazy mike]

Well Op lets put it together. WE all agree that Tren is going to hurt your cardio when using it. We see that your cardio can and will come back. I agree with MI that the short ester hurts your cardio more than the long ester Enanthate.
I think everyone will agree that a lower dose has less of an effect. And no one has argued what I have said about it not melting the fat off. So I tell you that I have burned fat off by using the Bicycle in the gym and I attribute the lack of water retention due to Tren. But fat and water is different as you know. Tren will build quicker mass but at a cost. If you can't afford the cost you can accomplish what you want with other compounds. That's my 2 cents AND more Ha!! . ...crazy mike

[t-dogg]

Well Op lets put it together. WE all agree that Tren is going to hurt your cardio when using it. We see that your cardio can and will come back. I agree with MI that the short ester hurts your cardio more than the long ester Enanthate.
I think everyone will agree that a lower dose has less of an effect. And no one has argued what I have said about it not melting the fat off. So I tell you that I have burned fat off by using the Bicycle in the gym and I attribute the lack of water retention due to Tren. But fat and water is different as you know. Tren will build quicker mass but at a cost. If you can't afford the cost you can accomplish what you want with other compounds. That's my 2 cents AND more Ha!! . ...crazy mike

Yes I've figured the general answer to this but, if anyone ever did any sort of real cardio output I was interested in the result of it.

Thanks.

[MuscleInk]

I have had Tren just suck the water out of me, but nothing IMOP melts fat. Diet and cardio for that. Burn the fat with high caloric burning exercises. ...crazy mike

Correct. Tren+mast are great drying agents for me. Vascularity improves tremendously but it's cardio and reducing caloric intake that drives fat loss.

[t-dogg]

Correct. Tren+mast are great drying agents for me. Vascularity improves tremendously but it's cardio and reducing caloric intake that drives fat loss.

Idk I heard anavar was bad for athletes and I've used it with little side effects. I guess that's what peaked my interest.

[MuscleInk]

Idk I heard anavar was bad for athletes and I've used it with little side effects. I guess that's what peaked my interest.

I ran var at 100mg/day for 6 wks but bf was at 18% when I ran it and didn't see anything substantial. Mostly increased muscle hardening.

I'm putting my wife on low dose var next month for cutting with changes to her diet and cardio. She's at 120lbs looking to get to 105-110lbs.

[t-dogg]

I ran var at 100mg/day for 6 wks but bf was at 18% when I ran it and didn't see anything substantial. Mostly increased muscle hardening.

I'm putting my wife on low dose var next month for cutting with changes to her diet and cardio. She's at 120lbs looking to get to 105-110lbs.

My diet was damn near perfect. I ran 500mgs of test "16" and 60mgs of var "6wks". I gained 12lbs of lean muscle and dropped 3%bf. I said holly shit. Was sold on it ever since lol.

[MuscleInk]

My diet was damn near perfect. I ran 500mgs of test "16" and 60mgs of var "6wks". I gained 12lbs of lean muscle and dropped 3%bf. I said holly shit. Was sold on it ever since lol.

I've used during cutting, not for lean bulk and haven't ruled it out. My wife is driving me crazy waiting for her var. lol

[t-dogg]

I've used during cutting, not for lean bulk and haven't ruled it out. My wife is driving me crazy waiting for her var. lol

I love it.


Idk, I'll probably stick with my cycle as I planned.


500mgs test

600mgs mast

100mgs anavar

[austinite]

You Tren-Benefiting-Bastards.

[t-dogg]

You Tren-Benefiting-Bastards.

What happened to your use?

[MuscleInk]

I love it.

Idk, I'll probably stick with my cycle as I planned.

500mgs test

600mgs mast

100mgs anavar

Running anything for prostate health? Mast is DHT and prostate is saturated with DHT transmembrane receptors.

[austinite]

What happened to your use?

Sweats. That's about it.

[crazy mike]

Ah ..ha, ha, haaa! that's funny. For the record I've never used Var. ...crazy mike
Good night guys !!

[MuscleInk]

Sweats. That's about it.

Hyperhydrosis. I'm always a sweaty mess lol.

[t-dogg]

Running anything for prostate health? Mast is DHT and prostate is saturated with DHT transmembrane receptors.

Haven't got that far yet. Haven't even ordered this gear.

[MuscleInk]

Haven't got that far yet. Haven't even ordered this gear.

Ok. Keep it in mind. 10mg of cialis daily will usually suffice unless you have a hx of prostate issues.

[t-dogg]

Ok. Keep it in mind. 10mg of cialis daily will usually suffice unless you have a hx of prostate issues.

Thanks. Yeah. I think I link this cycle more. I may add more test to the cycle.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Yeah I'm below 15%bf for sure now. Cardio I walk/run at least 4times a week right now. Anavar is amazing for me. Does tren melt fat off you?

With the right nutrition yes it melts fat off me. It also allows me to take in ridiculous cals while bulking without gaining fat.

My experience is over 500-600mg will kill your cardio although I do agree the shorter ester is a bit worse in that regard. But I've found that the leaner I am on tren the less it affects my cardio. I've ran it at 12% while bulking and eating a ton and had it destroy my cardio but ran it at 10% and dropped to prob 8% with no noticeable impact on cardio. Everyone is different and every time I run tren seems to affect me differently but for me there is a definitive difference in its effect on my cardio depending on my bf %.

My cardio is jogging outdoors, HIIT on treadmill, and walking on incline PWO on treadmill or stairmill. I do have to deal with painful pumps while doing cardio regardless of bf % but that isn't directly effecting cardio output IMO.