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This is my first time doing pro mag or any type of enhancement drug(starting tmrw). I was told by the guy who sold me is that I don't need to pre load it.
Im taking 25mg 1 in the morning and 1 8hours after it. Ill also being taking elixer for liver support. after 4 weeks im going on PCT.
Do i need to pre load becuase ive been reading mixed things for this.
Also my friend said your balls will shrink on this PH is that true?
thanks
Last edited by dmartination; 09-23-2013 at 10:10 PM.
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do i need a serm with a pct or am i good with just a pct
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Are you talking about a prohormone? The ph from hardrock?Originally Posted by dmartination
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ye pro-mag from hardrock
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First your 20 years old. To young for steroids. Yes it is a steroid. If you want some good info tuned sports has everything you need to know.
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where is tuned sports?
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Do a ton more research my friend a serm is part of pct. I changed my mind. Don't even look at tuned sports. Throw it in the garbage. If your asking that question your a ways out. No harm in waiting and reading or you could screw yourself up.
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ok. The guy who owns the shop who sold me them just told me to take 1 pill in the morning with the elixer. and then 1 pill at night with elixer. and then after 4 weeks get on pct for 30 days. He said i didnt have to preload. Im so confused
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Do you know what's in these pills. Why are you taking them I'm the first place. What is this elixir. I feel like I'm in the old west saying elixir
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ok i don't know whats inside of them. Ive been reading about the side effects. their really mild and everything. I just need some basic help on my pre loading question and if his direction are right
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These pills are methylated and will effect your liver enzymes blood pressure and a lot of other things. No! The guy who told you this doesn't know shit. Wait you will be glad you did.
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idk what to do then...i spent 95 $ on this and this guy owns a shop and everything. What is wrong with his advice?
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Here is my best advice. Research about the effect steroids can have on young people. Theres some info on it on this site. You are a grown man and if you are hell bent on doing it look at tunedsports.com but I strongly suggest you not do the cycle. You have not done enough research and you are to young. You could f-ck yourself up good. I know it's not what you want to hear but it's the truth.
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but side effects are mild and im taking liver support...
whats the worse thing that can happen to me
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This is written by Marcus 300 a great wealth of knowledge here.
The young and Steroids
Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:
There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.
I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.
I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus
"Better Safe Than Sorry"
Your good cholesterol will go way down and the bad will go up.
You could have problems with your penis.
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