PIP one week after injection?

[BluPhin]

I have been getting horrendous pain in my hips after dorso and ventro glute shots. The odd thing is, the pain comes on a week or so after injection. Historically, I rarely get PIP in glute shots.
The pain I'm experiencing now is almost debilitating in that I can barely walk. After 4 days of pain, everything is ok again

[BluPhin]

This is my first go with CM gear. My last cycle was with Watson pharm grade gear. I do not recall having any significant PIP with Watson. Anyone else have experience with CM test E 250 and significant PIP?

[ironbeck]

sounds like you got crap gear pal.

[BluPhin]

The strangest part is the first 4 weeks I had zero pip. The only thing that changed was I started a new vial and I ended my dbol cycle. Since then, I have been one sore mf'er. I start a new vial tonight so I will see what happens. Could dbol influence the effects of PIP?

[Java Man]

That would be one strange correlation if so. There's no scientific reason for dbol to affect pip. It sounds like.maybe you had a bad vial. Time will tell I guess. You said all is well now and youre starting a new vial so hopefully this is in the past.

[BluPhin]

I started a new vial last night. But I am still limping around with pain in both hips. Hopefully the old vial will diminish and the new vial will be less harsh, if that's what the problem was?

[Term]

This is my first go with CM gear. My last cycle was with Watson pharm grade gear. I do not recall having any significant PIP with Watson. Anyone else have experience with CM test E 250 and significant PIP?

I am using CM's Test P 200 right now...1st quad shot of 100mg was no problem at all. My next pin in the other quad on Monday, damn near turned me into a cripple. Same vial, sterile pin practice as well, and within 5hrs felt like total garbage (body aches/mild fever, chills).
Just got over it this morning. I wasn't as steady as I could have been during pinning...but still a strange reaction considering the smoothness of the 1st pin.
I mixed this mornings dose with my test e pin...so we'll see.

[Bert]

Maybe your allergic to the oil?

[BluPhin]

Update: I went to see doctor this morning after it took 6 ibuprofen to get out of bed. Doctor diagnosed bursitis. Inflammation in hip joint as I understand. I did not tell him I was pinning 300mg of test e into each hip for past 9 weeks. Don't really know if it matters. He offered me cortisone shot in hip. I declined for now. He just shook his head, lol. I'm done with ventro shots for now

[crazy mike]

I have bursitis in my left hip. It is very bad. I get injections for this as well as my osteoarthritis. The shot last for about three months and help tremendously in three days. My bursitis comes and goes and the where really affects it. ...crazy mike

[Term]

Hey Bluefin, just out of curiosity, did you have any flu like symptoms like I described in my post above? I'm wondering if I just butchered my quad up, instead of stabbing it. And the flu-like symptoms were just my bodies way of letting me know that I have horrible technique? I don't think I could be allergy related because the 1st pin was smoother than my glute shot of test e only. Has this been occurring every pin?

[BluPhin]

That's helpful to know Mike. I'm really glad to find this out because I was concerned that the gear was dirty. You and I both know the value of a good supply like we have in chem-muscle. My cycle ends in 3 weeks. I will get the required shots for bursitis at that time if it's still a problem.

[BluPhin]

I did not have flu like symptoms. I have cystic fibrosis so I am always under the weather with respiratory health. But nothing beyond the usual lung clogging phlegm, lol

I have had nights sweats during the 9 weeks I have been on cycle. But I had the same reaction during my Watson cylcle

[BluPhin]

Crazy Mike: do you pin mostly in glutes? Just wondering if that practice makes you more prone to hip bursitis

[pokerjoker]

This is also my first go with CM and the PIP is more than i was used to. When i used GP i had absolutely no PIP. Its nothing i cant deal with, just my 2 cents.

[BluPhin]

Sorry, what is GP?

[Zodiac85]

Did you guys sterilize your vials? Like with a pressure cooker or anything? I'm just curious.

[wreckshop82]

I'm on my first cycle with CM as well. I'm not getting bad PIP at all. First 2 pins were in the delt w/ 5/8's 25g and I was slightly sore for a few days but nothing major at all. Last pin was in the glute and I didn't even feel it and haven't.
BluePhin: what was your experience like on the dbol? I'm taking the liquid Dbol and I'm on day 9 and I have yet to feel anything from it. No strength gains at all. I feel like my libido is a bit higher cuz I've been pretty damn horny lately but that could be placebo. Just curious what you thought of the dbol?

edit: 35 mg ED split once in the am and once in the evening an hour before workout. Also 200 mg Test every 3.5 days

[crazy mike]

Bluefin, I do most glute injections. The glute injection do not have any thing to do with my bursitis. My bursitis usually doesn't have to do with my standing or my weight on my hip. It will bother me at most any time. But I have to get injected every three months or At times I can't stand the pain.

Now I have found that between the injections and IBprop. It will ease up and my walking around and going to the gym, mild exercise helps the lubrication process and helps. ...crazy mike

Also the weather is a big factor....cm

[crazy mike]

I'm on my first cycle with CM as well. I'm not getting bad PIP at all. First 2 pins were in the delt w/ 5/8's 25g and I was slightly sore for a few days but nothing major at all. Last pin was in the glute and I didn't even feel it and haven't.
BluePhin: what was your experience like on the dbol? I'm taking the liquid Dbol and I'm on day 9 and I have yet to feel anything from it. No strength gains at all. I feel like my libido is a bit higher cuz I've been pretty damn horny lately but that could be placebo. Just curious what you thought of the dbol?

edit: 35 mg ED split once in the am and once in the evening an hour before workout. Also 200 mg Test every 3.5 days

I don't care for any liquids. ...crazy mike

[BluPhin]

I'm on my first cycle with CM as well. I'm not getting bad PIP at all. First 2 pins were in the delt w/ 5/8's 25g and I was slightly sore for a few days but nothing major at all. Last pin was in the glute and I didn't even feel it and haven't. BluePhin: what was your experience like on the dbol? I'm taking the liquid Dbol and I'm on day 9 and I have yet to feel anything from it. No strength gains at all. I feel like my libido is a bit higher cuz I've been pretty damn horny lately but that could be placebo. Just curious what you thought of the dbol? edit: 35 mg ED split once in the am and once in the evening an hour before workout. Also 200 mg Test every 3.5 days

I took cm liquid dbol at 50mg per day for 30 days. I did not have one positive or negative effect from it. For example, no strength, size or appetite gains. No acne, gyno, sleep or temperament issues. Almost as if though I never took it. But that's not to say the gear was bunk. Maybe I don't react to orals well. It was my first go with an oral

[BluPhin]

Bluefin, I do most glute injections. The glute injection do not have any thing to do with my bursitis. My bursitis usually doesn't have to do with my standing or my weight on my hip. It will bother me at most any time. But I have to get injected every three months or At times I can't stand the pain. Now I have found that between the injections and IBprop. It will ease up and my walking around and going to the gym, mild exercise helps the lubrication process and helps. ...crazy mike Also the weather is a big factor....cm

I can sympathize with you brother when you say you can't stand the pain. It has been agonizing trying to walk, much less work out. The ibuprofen definitely helps.

[BluPhin]

Did you guys sterilize your vials? Like with a pressure cooker or anything? I'm just curious.

I have never sterilized vials in pressure cooker. Is that a common practice for ugl gear?

[Zodiac85]

I don't know how common it is. Even blood work isn't really all that common around here. It will sterilize your gear so at least you won't have to worry about infections. You can't control everything, but that's one thing that you can. Of course there's other contaminants that are possible and gear could still be fake, but no infection. I can't imagine why you wouldn't sterilize ugl gear. Unless someone's got a good reason not to? A pressure cooker is <$30.

[BluPhin]

I don't know how common it is. Even blood work isn't really all that common around here. It will sterilize your gear so at least you won't have to worry about infections. You can't control everything, but that's one thing that you can. Of course there's other contaminants that are possible and gear could still be fake, but no infection. I can't imagine why you wouldn't sterilize ugl gear. Unless someone's got a good reason not to? A pressure cooker is <$30.

What is your procedure for doing this?

[Zodiac85]

What is your procedure for doing this?

Just so we're on the same page.... I have not actually done it yet.

Anyway, you just put the vials in the pressure cooker, not touching the sides or bottom, and let 'er rip for 30 minutes or so. I've read many people doing it after getting bad pip, which they attribute to various forms of contamination. I figure better safe than sorry. Abscesses don't sound like fun.

Only works on bacterial contamination of course. My understanding is that it will not degrade the gear, although maybe someone more knowledgeable from the Lab will see this and chime in.

[BluPhin]

I would like to hear more on the subject. Especially with regards to possible chemical degradation of gear or not. Let me know if you hear of anything on this

[Zodiac85]

I would like to hear more on the subject. Especially with regards to possible chemical degradation of gear or not. Let me know if you hear of anything on this

Will do. I may make a post in the Lab when I get home tonight if no one chimes in here. I'm pretty sure most people that make it autoclave it, which is essentially the same thing.

.........

I just popped over to the Lab and read a bunch of threads. No problem pressure cooking your gear, no loss in potency. Many people autoclave or pressure cook their gear. $30 and 30 minutes and far less risk of infection. Seems like it should be standard procedure with anything that you aren't sure of.

[BluPhin]

Ok..thanks for info. I will look into this for next go round