Need cycle reviewed

[GlockBAK8811]

Below I am going to list what I have come up with as my first cycle. I just recently set up and account here but prior to that I viewed the fourms and aas profiles for quite some time to learn as much as possible. I have learned a lot but it is a drop in the bucket compared to many of you. After I list the cycle idea I have a few questions that I am going to ask for advice on. This is just focused on the cycle, diet plan has been looked at and is in the works.

Week 1-12 Test Cyp 250mg every 3.5 days
Week 1-14 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 15-16 Nolvadex 40mg ED
Week 17-18 Nolvadex 20mg ED

Should the Nolvadex be taken all at once or split up during the day during PCT? Say if 40mg a day split up 20mg in morning 20mg in evening.

Since gyno is a real threat I plan on keeping a little extra Nolvadex and Arimidex than required for my cycle and PCT. If I should notice gyno starting to take place as a last resort could I use Nolvadex to combat it or increse my Arimidex dose? Which would be most effective to mitigate the onset of gyno?

I have realized that the overwhelming consensus is that I should run Test only for my first cycle. From what I understand it will take 3-4 weeks for it to start taking effect because of the long ester. Would I have better results from using Sustanon because it contains shorter esters as well as longer esters? Or if I stuck with the long ester Test every 3.5 days and added say 100mg of Test Prop EOD for the first 4 weeks to improve early cycle gains. Maybe im way off here. Let me know.

Thanks in advance, Brian.

[austinite]

Welcome and Hook'em Horns.

Is your profile accurate? You're 6'2", 160 lbs and under 5 % body fat and you've been training since you were 16?

[Deltaviking]

Never tried sust but from what I've gathered your better off with test c. Cycle looks good, I prefer aromas in over arimidex but that's just a personal thing. Unless you are one of the unlucky ones that are very prone to gyno, you should be alright with adex

[Deltaviking]

If you want quicker results the test p is a good idea

[redz]

PCT is weak.

[Deltaviking]

PCT is weak.

I've read recently a member of this forum, "Atomini" give loads of proof and studies showing nolvadex alone is plenty and showing that clomid is unnecessary and frankly it sucks. I do t know one way or the other but I was just curious to know your opinion of this?

[GlockBAK8811]

Yes my stats are correct. I got into dope pretty bad and diet really suffered. This past year I have basically spent all my time rebuilding my life (working). Now its time for my body. Im getting back into the swing of things at the gym to strengthen my frame before my cycle. I have in the past raced motocross, been an avid wakeboarder, and done strength/endurance training since I was 16 when I started doing high school wrestling. What im saying is that just a year ago after rehab I was around 185lbs and doing 300+ lb dead lifts. My frame is strong I just need to get my diet back right. Even with a cleanish 500+ calorie surplus diet and in the gym daily I plateau around 185lbs. This is why I plan to cycle.

Is my PCT basically missing Clomid which makes it weak? Please let me know your reasoning so I can look at my plan.

Thanks, Brian.

[austinite]

I've read recently a member of this forum, "Atomini" give loads of proof and studies showing nolvadex alone is plenty and showing that clomid is unnecessary and frankly it sucks. I do t know one way or the other but I was just curious to know your opinion of this?

Atomini is wrong and his info is outdated.

[Deltaviking]

Atomini is wrong and his info is outdated.

I figured as much. I find it interesting how something is a "proven fact" until its proven wrong by somebody else. Seems like there's something new every other day

[GlockBAK8811]

And that is why im asking certain questions. Some questions like "Should I run Test only for my first cycle?" is pretty clear with even minor research here. Others areas are much more murky like PCT protocol, need for HCG and other cycle aspects.

[Deltaviking]

There are many subjects on here that everyone has a different opinion about. The best thing for you to do is be prepared for anything and see how your body reacts. Everyone is different

[GlockBAK8811]

I hear ya. Im just looking to learn and set myself up for the best possible outcome. I have my mind set on starting a cycle here sooner than later and want to do it to the best of my ability. I guess the old saying "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" is hard for me to get down with. Im just not one to leave much up to hope when the worst can be pretty bad dealing with aas.

Can anyone suggest a better PCT plan that I can study? If its not sufficient then I could really use some advice eh'! Add Clomid?

[GlockBAK8811]

Im pondering the idea of switching from 250mg Test-C every 3.5 days to 150mg Test-P eod. My thought process is that the switch would make better use of the first 4 weeks of my cycle. Thoughts?

[GlockBAK8811]

Anyone got a few spare minutes to maybe look over this thread to help answer a question or two? Thanks!

[drake4243]

This is ruff your pct is way off and you’re not even considering how to battle atrophy that will surely set in. I would just relax a bit and learn what to properly do rather than just ask someone to tell you all the right answers. Plus at your size your diet needs a boat load of work. Just keep plugging along and come back when you are at least close to marginable knowledgeable on what to run and why. Keep training hard though don’t get discouraged good luck.

[GlockBAK8811]

Sometimes its hard to get a straight answer. Before I was a member of the forums I read all of the steroid profiles, cruised the forums and mainly stickies and read the suggested beginner cycles. It specifically says "For the beginner steroid cycles PCT will merely consist of the Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM) Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) for a course of 3-4 weeks.". Then I come to the forums and hear guys talking about Clomid and HCG. The beginner cycle page said nothing about Clomid or HCG. See where this can become confusing? Then I post my cycle idea and am told my PCT isnt up to par with no reason and to "come back when you are at least close to marginable knowledgeable on what to run and why". How am I suppose to learn if I cant ask a question? Not trying to make noise but whats someone to do when they have conflicting information and are in need of some help?

[ppwc1985]

You can add weight naturally before you cycle. That is good info but outdated, you need clomid and nov for pct, you need hcg on cycle and an AI. Research the amounts. Don't use prop for first cycle, cyp or eth,

[GlockBAK8811]

Thanks PPWC. I appreciate the time and knowledge.

[Quester]

The info you posted seems fishy but I'll point you in the right direction anyway.
And get your diet right, AAS don't work right if you don't work if you don't. AAS are no substitute for proper diet and training.

skip cyp, do prop. .75 ed
HCG 250 iu every 3.5 days (2xweek) while on cylce, starting morning of 4th day.
aromasin 2.5 eod

PCT (if you use prop) start 3 days after last prop inj.
Tore ed for 6 weeks 120/120/100/60/60/60
nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20

Ralofexen on hand for gyno (this is a must, it is your body, be responsible and don't **** yourself up w/ bitch tits. Better weak and puny than bitch tits).

Search all of these substances on this site so that you can treat yourself. Dr.s go to school for almost thirty years you can spend at twenty to fifty hours to avoid hurting yourself. This is cycle is wht I would do if I was you. Now that you know what to look for you can easier find the knowledge you need. By searching for information about this you can verify that this will work. Don't do anything until you are 100%. If all goes as it should there is still no guarantees, it is your responsibility to reduce the risks to your health which could f-up your entire life...you only get one.
good luck

[Quester]

Noles!

[GlockBAK8811]

Whatcha know about them Noles???!!!! How about UCF hanging with South Carolina??? Ok now back to the topic. I just ordered Genshi Test E 250mg/ml (250mg e3.5d, 500mg/week) and Genshi Dbol 10mg (enough for 30-50 mg a day for 4 weeks). I know test only is reccomended for first cycle so if I have any sides I can just stop the Dbol. Im eating 800-1000 calories over TDE right now while I wait for em to show up(about 4000 cal/day). Hoping to get to around 175 lbs before cycle. I also have arimidex (.5mg eod) for on cycle prevention of gyno n' such. Im looking at using 500 iu twice a week of HCG the last two weeks of cycle and into PCT. Using clomid and nolvadex for PCT.