***DISCUSSION*** Gain or cut? Choose 1 goal and see it through to completion

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I agree with you GB.

Id like to add to this if i may. I basically did the same thing as you, going from a fat butt to lean and mean. Since then my progress has not been much at all.

We hear a lot of talk about genetic limit. For me i always went with what most people said about how hard it is to reach the genetic limit. While technically this may be true (hard to argue conclusively in this context ) i am beginning to think it isnt so hard to reach. Personally i think ive reached some kind of limit with myself. While it may not be the. "Genetic limit " it is def where if i try to gain mass i end up gaining fat in a much greater proportion.

So now thru experience it seems i am at a crossroads: maintain and maybe try to gain very very slowly or cycle. It is pointless to me to keep trying to bulk and just end up fat and have to cut.

Im looking to see here if im the only one who has noticed this or if there are others?? (Im sure there are) would u say this is what we mean when we make reference to "genetic limit"??

[gbrice75]

I agree with you GB.

Id like to add to this if i may. I basically did the same thing as you, going from a fat butt to lean and mean. Since then my progress has not been much at all.

We hear a lot of talk about genetic limit. For me i always went with what most people said about how hard it is to reach the genetic limit. While technically this may be true (hard to argue conclusively in this context ) i am beginning to think it isnt so hard to reach. Personally i think ive reached some kind of limit with myself. While it may not be the. "Genetic limit " it is def where if i try to gain mass i end up gaining fat in a much greater proportion.

So now thru experience it seems i am at a crossroads: maintain and maybe try to gain very very slowly or cycle. It is pointless to me to keep trying to bulk and just end up fat and have to cut.

Im looking to see here if im the only one who has noticed this or if there are others?? (Im sure there are) would u say this is what we mean when we make reference to "genetic limit"??

My friend, I'm at the *exact* same crossroad as you. Not too long ago, a friend (whose knowledge and opinion I value greatly) suggested I may have simply reached my 'genetic limit' (in response to my endless bitching about not being able to gain more muscle, bla bla bla, you've all heard it from me before). I didn't want to accept it. I mean, THIS? THIS is my genetic limit? I feel like I've barely gotten started. This can't be it!!!

Here's the deal though - and in this you and I are also similar: drugs aside (and possibly even with), we are never going to achieve that look that I know we both want. Simply, the guys who look that way have been training consistently since their mid-late teens. They've had decades to develop thick, dense muscle mass - we've only been at it consistently for a few years. That's nothing. I started in my early 30's, and to my knowledge, so did you. In terms of developing muscle, we are WELL beyond our best years.

I've recently come to accept the fact that I won't have the look I set out to achieve. If I had started much sooner, AND didn't spend years destroying my body (which makes this even that much more difficult) with horrible 'nutrition', laziness, etc., then it'd probably be a different story. I have no choice but to work with what I have now. I work hard, try to keep my diet on point, and that's all that I can do. Beyond that, it's in the hands of the powers that be.

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My friend, I'm at the *exact* same crossroad as you. Not too long ago, a friend (whose knowledge and opinion I value greatly) suggested I may have simply reached my 'genetic limit' (in response to my endless bitching about not being able to gain more muscle, bla bla bla, you've all heard it from me before). I didn't want to accept it. I mean, THIS? THIS is my genetic limit? I feel like I've barely gotten started. This can't be it!!!

Here's the deal though - and in this you and I are also similar: drugs aside (and possibly even with), we are never going to achieve that look that I know we both want. Simply, the guys who look that way have been training consistently since their mid-late teens. They've had decades to develop thick, dense muscle mass - we've only been at it consistently for a few years. That's nothing. I started in my early 30's, and to my knowledge, so did you. In terms of developing muscle, we are WELL beyond our best years.

I've recently come to accept the fact that I won't have the look I set out to achieve. If I had started much sooner, AND didn't spend years destroying my body (which makes this even that much more difficult) with horrible 'nutrition', laziness, etc., then it'd probably be a different story. I have no choice but to work with what I have now. I work hard, try to keep my diet on point, and that's all that I can do. Beyond that, it's in the hands of the powers that be.

i tell u what my man, that just SUCKS!!!

i will prob cycle to see whats what, and then i can evaluate whether it is worth it to continue. im kind of leaning towards being happy with what i have. im not so sure the risk is worth the reward.

[gbrice75]

i tell u what my man, that just SUCKS!!!

i will prob cycle to see whats what, and then i can evaluate whether it is worth it to continue. im kind of leaning towards being happy with what i have. im not so sure the risk is worth the reward.

^^ this is another thing I've come to accept. Aside from my wife not being cool with it, I will never be stepping on a stage in any capacity - so really, why would I cycle? Get big and huge - but for what? To what end? When does it stop? What's the clear cut goal? There isn't one. So, I'll just have to come to terms with being small and lean (when I get there, haha) and having something along the lines of a swimmer's body.

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^^ this is another thing I've come to accept. Aside from my wife not being cool with it, I will never be stepping on a stage in any capacity - so really, why would I cycle? Get big and huge - but for what? To what end? When does it stop? What's the clear cut goal? There isn't one. So, I'll just have to come to terms with being small and lean (when I get there, haha) and having something along the lines of a swimmer's body.

NO!!! say it isnt so!!!!!