Advice for 1st time user

[Advice1542]

Hi, Im 20 years old 6'5" and 188 lbs, 4.1% body fat and a 32 inch vertical. Until 2 years ago I trained 5 days a week consistently for at least 2 years very hard, with plyometrics and all kinds of weights and free weights. for 2 years before that and 2 years since, excepting a 2 1/2 - 3 month break i took after i finished my years of intense working out. I have good form, and a generally healthy diet, excepting that I try to consume as many calories as possible, at least 4000 a day because otherwise I have trouble putting on weight because of my high metabolism. The heaviest Ive ever been able to get during all my years of lifting was 195 lbs. In most areas Ive been able to make strength gains back to where I was at my peak strength, and my natural quickness and athleticism has increased, with the only exceptions being my vertical which was probably 35 at my peak and my bench which Ive been especially struggling with it, only gaining about 20 lbs in the past month to be able to rep 155 for 3 sets of 10 when i used to hit 185 for 3 sets of 10. I notice this weakness in my chest a lot less when I'm using barbells or another method for chest press. Im considering transferring to a division 2 school to play basketball instead of finishing where I am now and want to get a leg up on the competition. My plan is to cycle 60mg of anavar per day for 6 weeks, with a very high caloric protein, and fish oil to protect my joints, but what other supplements could you recommend for me? What would be the best pct for me to take? Do i need an HCG or aromatase inhibitor? Please don't harp too much on me about my age, I will take any comments into consideration and may not do it, but Id rather primarily here about ways for me to do the safest cycle possible, and maximize the gains I get from it. Also thank you for taking the time to read this entire thread, I know it was long lol

[noon]

To start. You are too young you need to let your body progress on its own at your age. Eat eat eat. Eat till your stuffed and then eat again. Stop into the nutrition section and do some reading lots of info in there. You are very light for your hight . Do a basic five by five program and focus on your strength mass will follow if your eating correctly. Anavar only cycle will not help it will cause problems for you. And you are most likely not 4% body fat. You have plenty of time to get where your going dont rush it and **** yourself up. Here is a chart to look at body fat %

[Advice1542]

I understand what you're saying, but id still like to ask what you think based on my build. obviously I don't look like those massive cut up guys at 3-4% but I've been training for years, have cardiovascular stamina to run 4-5 miles at a time, and have toned lean muscle mass. the 4% figure is accurate as I just had it measured recently and a large part of what I want to get out of a cycle is not only weight gain, which I struggle a lot with, but also increasing my fast twitch muscle fiber strength even more so i can jump higher, change directions faster, and overall become more agile. I know winstrol is the best steroid for improving these things specifically but I don't have near the weight I need to start a cycle of that. I also several friends who've cycled winstrol and constantly had blood work done, and others who've cycled trenbolol, but I expect they'll have some problems down the road as they did it in high school. My problem is the main reason I want to try it is for a competitive sports advantage, which i can hopefully build through the cycle and maintain afterwards in order to dominate playing basketball next year, and maybe eventually play professionally in europe, so cycling when I'm older would be impossible as it becomes regulated and once I'm done playing, Ill probably just try and stay fit and healthy without them. With this in mind do you still think Im too young to take the risks? And as for my build the reason my body fat is low could have to do with the fact that i swim a lot after my workouts, so my abs are pretty cut up, and from basketball training my legs are significantly stronger than my upper body. The other problem I have is Ive had trainers been telling me the eat eat eat thing for years and years. I eat more than anyone I know, usually four meals a day, and when Im lifting seriously I try to gorge myself on snacks between meals to gain weight, but because of all the cardio I do it's tough to maintain. Would my best solution be to cut back on cardio?

[Advice1542]

and if you think an anavar only cycle will not help for me, is there something I could combine it with, or another cycle that would be safer/better?

[kronik420]

you need to eat food and lift heavy weights..

then you can revisit the idea of steroids in about 4-5 years....

[noon]

Yes still too young. Sorry
Four meals a day is poor your simply doing it wrong. Eat every two hours health foods chicken steak fish healthy carbs. Have a protein shake before you go to sleep. Keep your tank full. If you want to grow mass stop running 4/5 miles at a time and cut back on the swim. Eat lift rest. And if your goal is speed and agility with a massive vertical leap AAS might not be the best option for you at any age. Get your diet down get your lifting in check trim down the cardio . You will see the change that you seem to want. Save the world of AAS till your older. I did my first run with the basic test and proper pct. I didn't start till 33 And with the help of the guys here I have learned a lot.
Food and lots of it . Hope I have helped you. I hope you have listened. You have a long life in front of you. Slow down and enjoy the ride.

[Docd187123]

I'm sorry but it's not possible to walk around at 4% BF daily except maybe in extreme circumstances (you're not one of them). Please post up a picture so we may better assess your stats.

You're also too young to consider AAS at the moment. The damage you do before your hormonal balance has matured and the fact that at 20yo it's HIGHLY unlikely you've really learned nutrition and training is reason enough to hold off.

[Advice1542]

If an aas might not be the best available option for the goals that I have (quickness and vertical) what would help me more with these things? also what would be a safer alternative for muscle mass gain to aas, because Ive tried creatine, a testosterone booster for a month last year before I knew enough about it because I was hanging out with some people who used aas, and besides the t booster have never had significantly increased results. The only thing Ive been able to do very well in training without any of these things is my vertical/agility which i increased 6 inches in 6 months a couple years ago because I had access to a personal trainer and extensive plyometric equipment and otherwise, but now, I don't have those same things, but I do have access to an extensive weight room, and stairs and jumprope are the main things i still use for agility. Just trying to find a shortcut lol but if good old fashioned hard work over an extended period of time is the only solution I guess Ill just have to suck it up. I will say though, when lifting with friends in the past, if we are on the same weight program, and do the same lifts for an extended period of time, their strength seems to increase quicker than mine. As for the last post, idk why I would lie but for the sake of the argument lets say 8% from now on, Ive had a slew of trainers who train professional athletes and multiple weight lifting coaches, so my form is very good, and as for nutrition, I need to eat a slightly healthier diet, but growing up my mom was huge on nutrition and while healthy foods are much more expensive for me now on my own and in a new state, I still make sure to get plenty of complex carbs and lean proteins along with my supplements.

[Docd187123]

If an aas might not be the best available option for the goals that I have (quickness and vertical) what would help me more with these things? also what would be a safer alternative for muscle mass gain to aas, because Ive tried creatine, a testosterone booster for a month last year before I knew enough about it because I was hanging out with some people who used aas, and besides the t booster have never had significantly increased results. The only thing Ive been able to do very well in training without any of these things is my vertical/agility which i increased 6 inches in 6 months a couple years ago because I had access to a personal trainer and extensive plyometric equipment and otherwise, but now, I don't have those same things, but I do have access to an extensive weight room, and stairs and jumprope are the main things i still use for agility. Just trying to find a shortcut lol but if good old fashioned hard work over an extended period of time is the only solution I guess Ill just have to suck it up. I will say though, when lifting with friends in the past, if we are on the same weight program, and do the same lifts for an extended period of time, their strength seems to increase quicker than mine. As for the last post, idk why I would lie but for the sake of the argument lets say 8% from now on, Ive had a slew of trainers who train professional athletes and multiple weight lifting coaches, so my form is very good, and as for nutrition, I need to eat a slightly healthier diet, but growing up my mom was huge on nutrition and while healthy foods are much more expensive for me now on my own and in a new state, I still make sure to get plenty of complex carbs and lean proteins along with my supplements.

I didn't say you lied about your BF% but I think you're estimate is far off the mark. It's just not possible for you to be at 4% BF for any length of time let alone be that lean and be able to train with any intensity. Even 8% is a stretch. If you don't mind posting pics there are plenty of ppl here with experience who can give you a pretty close guess.

At your age the only supplements you should be concerned with are creatine, maybe some protein powder if you're low in protein, fish oil if short on EFAs, and maybe some vitamins once again to fill any deficiencies you may have in your diet. How about you post up a daily diet with macros and your TDEE and we can help tweak the diet. Do the same for your training and we can help you here as well.

As to helping increase your vertical, google search Joe DeFranco and vertical jump. He has an article with some proven methods to increasing your vertical. He's probably one of the top coaches in the business as well so if I were you I'd pay attention to his lifting programs as well since he deals with many athletes and their sport specific training.

[psychoink]

My vert is 32 and I'm only 5' 11 7/8".... for the record... Lol not sure whata vertical has to do with anything.

[itsjayman02]

If an aas might not be the best available option for the goals that I have (quickness and vertical) what would help me more with these things? also what would be a safer alternative for muscle mass gain to aas, because Ive tried creatine, a testosterone booster for a month last year before I knew enough about it because I was hanging out with some people who used aas, and besides the t booster have never had significantly increased results. The only thing Ive been able to do very well in training without any of these things is my vertical/agility which i increased 6 inches in 6 months a couple years ago because I had access to a personal trainer and extensive plyometric equipment and otherwise, but now, I don't have those same things, but I do have access to an extensive weight room, and stairs and jumprope are the main things i still use for agility. Just trying to find a shortcut lol but if good old fashioned hard work over an extended period of time is the only solution I guess Ill just have to suck it up. I will say though, when lifting with friends in the past, if we are on the same weight program, and do the same lifts for an extended period of time, their strength seems to increase quicker than mine. As for the last post, idk why I would lie but for the sake of the argument lets say 8% from now on, Ive had a slew of trainers who train professional athletes and multiple weight lifting coaches, so my form is very good, and as for nutrition, I need to eat a slightly healthier diet, but growing up my mom was huge on nutrition and while healthy foods are much more expensive for me now on my own and in a new state, I still make sure to get plenty of complex carbs and lean proteins along with my supplements.

Eat more and train hard....simple

Not the shortcut you want but a change in lifestyle !!

[Hrothgar]

Moree fooooood

[lovbyts]

Eat more and train hard....simple

Not the shortcut you want but a change in lifestyle !!

Moree fooooood

^^^^^ What they said.