First cycle critique.

[FapOLantern]

Well, the reason I'd be taking the prop is to start feeling the test working sooner. Since you can really start feeling the cypionate at 4-5 weeks due to blood concentration, why do you guys think it'd be detrimental to take the prop? I wouldn't be having 850mg of ACTIVE test for those first four weeks. At least that's what I understood. If I'm wrong, I'll be glad to be corrected.

[RangerDanger830]

Well, the reason I'd be taking the prop is to start feeling the test working sooner. Since you can really start feeling the cypionate at 4-5 weeks due to blood concentration, why do you guys think it'd be detrimental to take the prop? I wouldn't be having 850mg of ACTIVE test for those first four weeks. At least that's what I understood. If I'm wrong, I'll be glad to be corrected.

A lot of guys do take the prop and cyp the way you are because they do enjoy getting more out of the few weeks they are on cycle, I am all for it. The reason I wouldn't recommend that is because the dose is still fairly high. If you took it would you fall over dead with instant gyno? No you wouldn't, you might could get away with it. But the higher dose you go the more risk of side effects. A higher dose is sometimes necessary after you have been cycling for awhile but in your situation, it isn't necessary so why risk it?

You generally want to avoid bad side effects as much as possible in a first cycle for a few reasons, in my opinion of course, others may feel differently. For one, you aren't quite dialed in on how your body reacts to everything. So maybe your estrogen gets little high and you have to feel out your dose of AI, I would prefer to have done a very basic, easy cycle in order to get a feel for things like that first so if sides do develop you are more equipped to handle them. That and a bad first cycle experience is not what anyone wants anyway.

How do you get that you will not have 850mg of active test in you those four weeks?

[FapOLantern]

Because cypionate is a longer ester and the release will be quite slow, so not 100% test is bioavailable from day 1. Still, I see where you're coming from, and you make a very good point. I want to use prop to get a headstart, but I didn't want to do a prop only cycle because pinning EOD is a hassle, I can take it for 4 weeks but not 8 or, god forbid, 12.

So far, I think I'll change my cycle to 10 weeks, a happy medium between 8 and 12. I'm still not sold on dropping the prop, though. I'm just really excited for my first cycle and I want to feel the test immediately. I know that's a bad mentality to have, but I can't help it. Maybe I should pin less prop? I'm gonna try to calculate the actual amount of bioavailable test if I do reduce the prop during those first 4 weeks. I know that for a first cycle I should stick to 250-500mg test/week.

Thanks for your input!

[RangerDanger830]

Because cypionate is a longer ester and the release will be quite slow, so not 100% test is bioavailable from day 1. Still, I see where you're coming from, and you make a very good point. I want to use prop to get a headstart, but I didn't want to do a prop only cycle because pinning EOD is a hassle, I can take it for 4 weeks but not 8 or, god forbid, 12.

So far, I think I'll change my cycle to 10 weeks, a happy medium between 8 and 12. I'm still not sold on dropping the prop, though. I'm just really excited for my first cycle and I want to feel the test immediately. I know that's a bad mentality to have, but I can't help it. Maybe I should pin less prop? I'm gonna try to calculate the actual amount of bioavailable test if I do reduce the prop during those first 4 weeks. I know that for a first cycle I should stick to 250-500mg test/week.

Thanks for your input!

I wouldn't necessarily say you should do 250mg of test a week for a first cycle, that is pretty low even for a first cycle. 500mg is a happy medium. If it were me I would keep the both esters in there and just lower the dose of each a little bit so I could run it longer and everything works out. That's not to say you can't do the 850mg, no it won't be all bioavail right away but towards the end of that four weeks you would definitely be feeling it. So you can do it, I just wanted you to be aware of the risks of doing so. That way you can plan accordingly, you may have to adjust your AI dose or something like that.

I would say ten weeks is a pretty decent timeframe. You should see good results with it. Just be careful with that 850mg. A lot of people on here would tell you to lower it.

[FapOLantern]

I wouldn't necessarily say you should do 250mg of test a week for a first cycle, that is pretty low even for a first cycle. 500mg is a happy medium. If it were me I would keep the both esters in there and just lower the dose of each a little bit so I could run it longer and everything works out. That's not to say you can't do the 850mg, no it won't be all bioavail right away but towards the end of that four weeks you would definitely be feeling it. So you can do it, I just wanted you to be aware of the risks of doing so. That way you can plan accordingly, you may have to adjust your AI dose or something like that.

I would say ten weeks is a pretty decent timeframe. You should see good results with it. Just be careful with that 850mg. A lot of people on here would tell you to lower it.

Thanks for your advice. I'll keep what you said in mind, what do you think if I half the amount of cypionate?

[RangerDanger830]

Thanks for your advice. I'll keep what you said in mind, what do you think if I half the amount of cypionate?

Well that is one option, I personally have never done a short ester in the front of my cycle before so I cannot say that is the best choice for you, someone else might have to make that call. I will say that seems like a pretty good option if you are wanting to play it safe with a more reasonable dose of test. That should give you a good amount of active test in you fairly quickly and by the time the prop dose is lowering then the cyp should be going up.

I would like to hear from others' experienced with front loading a short ester like this before you make a final decision. All I can say is what I would do with the knowledge and experience I have. If it were me though I would probably take all four weeks of prop like you intended. I would half the cyp for the first three weeks and the fourth week on take a full dose of cyp at 500mg a week. By the time the fourth week of cyp became completely bioavail I believe the prop would be low enough so as not to spike you t levels too much.