Substituting Steroids with AI/Anti-Estrogens, or go Oral? (Distance Athlete/Sprinter)

[eries]

Substituting Steroids with AI/Anti-Estrogens? (Distance Athlete/Sprinter)
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Forum,
As many have said before,
"Please do not flame me, I am new here, and am only trying to learn & better myself..."
Onto the Discussion...

Age: 23, going on 24.

The predicament: Mid-Distance/Endurance Athlete looking for an affordable PED (EPO costs 3,000-10,000$ per month, with medical care... Do not troll. Same goes for HGH) that isn't too detectable [can cycle off by the beginning of Spring, without too much difficulty in terms of urinalysis detection (-/=30ish days)] that doesn't affect muscle cramping (Pumps), or cause too large of a muscle-mass gain ("microdosing" steroids ), while aiding in recovery, so that I can effectively finish my workouts at the paces prescribed, without pushing too hard on easy days, and hard on hard days, etc.

Summary:

Essential:
Objective A: Recovery
Recovery is vital here. Fairly self-explanatory.

Objective B: Affordable
Subjective varying from person to person. In this case, not too pricey, but nothing that wouldn't be ineffective, either.

Objective C: Does NOT cause "Pumps", or Pumps can be managed by lowering dosages.
Pumps would be detrimental towards the entire cause of the project.

Objective D: Urine Detection =/- 30 days.
Read above.

Objective E: Oral/Noninjectable.
Living in a dorm, having needles is far too risky.

Non-Essential... But Helpful

Objective F: Small amount of muscle mass gains.

Notice the word "Small." Too much muscle mass gain would be detrimental towards what I am attempting to accomplish.

Objective G: Lose a fairly, fairly small amount of body fat in abdominal region.

As previously noted, I am a semi-elite mid-distance/endurance athlete, and also do 1hr (sometimes weighted) of core a day. However, my abdominal section is flat, like a board (small amount of body fat present), rather than defined, like some of my teammates. This has been a problem that I've had for years.

Objective H: Increase in RBC.

RBC aids in endurance/cardiovascular activity.
Along with this, Vo2Max increases would be appreciated.

...

From this criteria, it seems that maybe an AI/Anti-Estrogen would fit my bill best? Maybe a low dosage of an oral steroid ?

Side Note:
I've thought about going 10mg Anavar [Oral](recommended 20-50mg), thus reducing potential side effects.

Any help is appreciated...

P.S.
I'm not here to "Get Big", in case anyone felt like skipping the entire post.
Thanks.

[eries]

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[tice1212]

Sorry but what exactly is ur question?

[RangerDanger830]

This is his third post about it. He wants to increase his performance despite the fact that he is drug tested randomly. He doesn't want to get big, he doesn't want anything that is detectable for long periods of times.

[eries]

I have read forums that have shown promise, but I'm looking for a second opinion. For example, several mid-distance athletes have tested positive for Stanzolol, Anavar, etc. However, I'm not just going to introduce a compound into my body simply because others have before; thus, I attempting to ask "experts" on the subject about their experiences with the compounds. Considering that this is one of the largest anabolic drug forums on the internet, I thought that it would be a good place to start. In regards to the previous post, it did help partially, but the discussion never really advanced too far. The reason that I am posting about it is that PEDs typically only are used within the elite (nationally qualifying/olympic trials-quality) within the track community. The others are usually highly misinformed. If I do choose to dope/use PEDs to aid my performance, I would like to do so in a well-researched manner. There isn't any discussion on the subject, thus the posting. Unlike other users, who are posting about things that can be easily found using the search function, this is relatively hidden information (dosages), as endurance/sprint athletes require far lower dosages/milder compounds than body builders to accomplish their goals. In closing, my question lies in finding a compound that will work best for my given criteria.

[Deal Me In]

I've answered this is in several posts. There is nothing that I'm aware of that fit all of your criteria. Low dose test, EPO, peptides and blood doping are your best bets but don't fit any of your requirements. I think Var only, even at a small dose is asking for trouble. One, it's suppressive. So when you stopped taking it you're natural test would be suppressed which would defeat the purpose. If you can secure Andriol you could give it a try. Maybe add Halo if you can afford it. But without being able to inject, you are really only left with blood doping and you would need someone on your team that could perform the procedure for you as well as a secure place to store the blood.

I don't pretend to know everything about every compound out there but I don't believe what you are looking for exists with the exception of peptides but these have to be injected.

[fit2bOld]

Trainer and nutritionist would fit the bill

[eries]

To trainer and nutritionist, I am a fit D II track & endurance athlete. I already have a personal nutritionist, and state-wide acclaimed coach. I was hoping PEDs could take me from good, to great. I really am interested in Andriol, though. I've read a couple articles & posts about it, and it seems to fit the bill pretty well. The problem with Anavar, is that I've read mixed reviews from speed athletes (track, soccer, etc). It seems that certain individuals respond differently to the drug. Regarding test suppression, wouldn't this be balanced with a good AI, and at low doses, wouldn't this not even be that much of a problem, anyways?

[Deal Me In]

I believe it's MuscleInk that always says "shut down is shut down" It doesn't matter what you take. Everything will suppress your natural test. Then, when you end your cycle, your body will go through a period where it is producing very little or no test. We do what we can with PCT to get our system back up and running as fast as we can. But trust me, I'm speaking from experience, you do not want to be in season, going through PCT. Your performance will suffer. No way around it.

But stop thinking you will be able to take any form of AAS without suffering shut down. That way is madness.

[eries]

My only problem with this is that there have been countless numbers of Olympic athletes in mid-distance/distance that have tested positive during the season. Just seems like they would know what they're doing.

[Deal Me In]

My only problem with this is that there have been countless numbers of Olympic athletes in mid-distance/distance that have tested positive during the season. Just seems like they would know what they're doing.

This is true. I thought your goal was to not fail a drug test? You saw many more positive tests in the past. The drug testing was not as accurate and they didn't test for masking agents and other chemicals used to beat drug testing. These athletes were showing up to events while still on because they thought they couldn't get caught.

You have to decide if you are willing to take the risk of failing a drug test. If you are prepared to face the consequences then time the cycle to end at the end of the season. If you are not prepared to face the consequences of a failed drug test then you shouldn't dope.

It is still my belief that you are looking for a solution that doesn't exist. You can't inject and you can't fail a test. I'm unaware of anything that you can take that fits those requirements while being safe for your body.

[RangerDanger830]

I wouldn't risk it either, especially if you were on a sports scholarship. Even if you aren't, a positive drug test could get you suspended or even banned from the college, I've seen both.

[altered genetics]

Test suspension, tbol for short detection time but eq would really work to your benefit IMO test s would be your best bet. You could easily get away with doing it in your dorm i know a few ppl that do

[Leanandmean24]

to op, i have the same essentials as you, and i am a boxer. if i were to take andriol, what dosages do you think would be on the very low side? you think i would need pct if i were to take a very low dose as well? im in the same boat as you so any help from you is greatly appreciated, as i have been having trouble receiving help from anyone else.

[Khazima]

to op, i have the same essentials as you, and i am a boxer. if i were to take andriol, what dosages do you think would be on the very low side? you think i would need pct if i were to take a very low dose as well? im in the same boat as you so any help from you is greatly appreciated, as i have been having trouble receiving help from anyone else.

Stats? Age/height/weight/bf%

[lovbyts]

My only problem with this is that there have been countless numbers of Olympic athletes in mid-distance/distance that have tested positive during the season. Just seems like they would know what they're doing.

Do you know why so many of these guys tested positive and got busted? Because they thought they could beat the system just like you.

The answer is easy. If you dont want to get caught dont cheat. If you need a little extra kick try some caffeine, it's legal and works.

[Leanandmean24]

18/5'10/147/14% <--- are my stats. advice and help is greatly appreciated.

[lovbyts]

18/5'10/147/14% <--- are my stats. advice and help is greatly appreciated.

Please start your own thread.
PS, the reason you are having trouble getting help because you are not listening because it's not what you want to hear. Your 18, you are to young, you are going to damage your HPTA and spend years trying to recover like many, many, many your age.