I had gyno PRE-CYCLE

[hallacam]

So apparently I didn't do my due diligence an ignored my symptoms..

I've had gyno for maybe 2-3 months and extremely sensitive and painful nipples for maybe 6 months. Most likely coming from some OTC test cycles I did. My doctor said everything was fine and it would just take a while for my levels to get normal.

Well now I have good size lumps under both nipples.

I'm on week 3 of a test cycle
500mg Test
500iu hcg
.25 adex eod

What should I do? Just the normal gyno protocol with letrozole?

[dfarre]

Drop hcg, it aromatizes and can't be stopped with AI. I grew some nice breast tissue from that shit even on 1mg adex ed.

[hallacam]

Ok scratch that I see letrozole is a no go..

Instead I should use ralox @60mg a day and continue with my AI until gyno resides?

[hallacam]

Dfarre everyone says to use hcg on cycle why would I drop it?

[qscgugcsq]

Wtf...

Hcg increase testosterone which aromatize that part is right.

But injecting testosterone or stimulating the production still results in testosterone.

So dont drop HCG...

Idk where he got that weird idea... anyway...

Do increase your arimidex to .5mg eOd or .25daily.
You can try letro instead I react better to letro than ralox...

But ralox would be your best bet.

[NACH3]

Drop hcg, it aromatizes and can't be stopped with AI. I grew some nice breast tissue from that shit even on 1mg adex ed.

B/c you can't or won't/& don't practice safe cycling, don't give out bad advice! Or any for that matter! Thx...

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OP - Ralox - 120mgs the first wk then 60mgs there on out...

[numbere]

Drop hcg, it aromatizes and can't be stopped with AI. I grew some nice breast tissue from that shit even on 1mg adex ed.

OP please disregard this post because it's horrible advise.

You should either go to private mdlabs or your primary care physician an have blood work ASAP. When I say ASAP I mean tomorrow. If you have ralox on hand then you should begin taking it at 120 mg for the first week and 60 mg/week thereafter. If you don't have ralox but have nolva then begin taking it today at 40 mg for the first week and 20 mg/week thereafter. You should also increase your dex dosage to 0.5 mg/EOD.

What are your stats?

What is your body fat percentage?

[bigdil511]

Drop hcg, it aromatizes and can't be stopped with AI. I grew some nice breast tissue from that shit even on 1mg adex ed.

Can someone ban this asshole? He's constantly giving terrible advice maliciously.

[mike198]

Drop hcg, it aromatizes and can't be stopped with AI. I grew some nice breast tissue from that shit even on 1mg adex ed.

You're the second person I've heard mention this. The first 2 weeks of my current cycle I just ran test and a little adex. My libido was insane. When I introduced HCG at the 3 week mark, my libido went down noticeably. I run 250 IU's twice/week. Maybe in my future cycles I will run it at 250 once/week. No gyno issues or water retention problems whatsoever, but diet is clean so

[mike198]

OP please disregard this post because it's horrible advise. You should either go to private mdlabs or your primary care physician an have blood work ASAP. When I say ASAP I mean tomorrow. If you have ralox on hand then you should begin taking it at 120 mg for the first week and 60 mg/week thereafter. If you don't have ralox but have nolva then begin taking it today at 40 mg for the first week and 20 mg/week thereafter. You should also increase your dex dosage to 0.5 mg/EOD. What are your stats? What is your body fat percentage?

Just read this now... numbere, is it true AI's are useless against HCG? I must say, my testicles have barely atrophied, which tells me it is doing its job. My libido is the only glaring problem I've had on cycle

Labs done at week 8 had my e2 at 28.9

[numbere]

Can someone ban this asshole? He's constantly giving terrible advice maliciously.

He's not my favorite member either but that's not an excuse to be rude and use profanity.

[numbere]

Just read this now... numbere, is it true AI's are useless against HCG? I must say, my testicles have barely atrophied, which tells me it is doing its job.

First, don't stop using hcg.

What dfarre wrote isn't totally wrong. However, what he wrote is out of context. You see, when hcg is taken in large doses (>500IU) there is the potential that testicular aromatase can be stimulated and thus increase testicular estrogen. As far as I know AIs are not effective at controlling aromatization in the testes. You should not worry about this because 250 IUs twice a week is a safe effective dose.

My libido is the only glaring problem I've had on cycle

This is a false statement. You have gyno. Lots of things can cause low libido.

Labs done at week 8 had my e2 at 28.9

What was the e2 test preformed reference range?

What are your stats including BF%?

[mike198]

First, don't stop using hcg. What dfarre wrote isn't totally wrong. However, what he wrote is out of context. You see, when hcg is taken in large doses (>500IU) there is the potential that testicular aromatase can be stimulated and thus increase testicular estrogen. As far as I know AIs are not effective at controlling aromatization in the testes. You should not worry about this because 250 IUs twice a week is a safe effective dose. This is a false statement. You have gyno. Lots of things can cause low libido. What was the e2 test preformed reference range? What are your stats including BF%?

I don't have any signs of gyno (I think you meant to direct that at someone else)

I had estradiol sensitive test done. Range 15-30
TT was >1500
Free test >73.5 (5.00-21.00)

On week 11 of cycle: 300 mgs test cyp/week, 0.25 mg arimidex E3D, and the HCG twice a week

[numbere]

I don't have any signs of gyno (I think you meant to direct that at someone else)

I had estradiol sensitive test done. Range 15-30
TT was >1500
Free test >73.5 (5.00-21.00)

On week 11 of cycle: 300 mgs test cyp/week, 0.25 mg arimidex E3D, and the HCG twice a week

My bad I confused you with he OP. The information in your original post was misleading. I'm not sure of your problem/question. If you'd like advice then create another thread. This one belongs to the Op.

[hallacam]

Yeah let's not take my thread over please.

Back to original question..

I have no SERM on hand. Just AI.
Should I bump my ai to .50mg eod until I get some ralox and begin taking that WITH my AI?

[lovbyts]

Dfarre everyone says to use hcg on cycle why would I drop it?

Because he is an idiot and a troll. Have a look at his first several post about wanting to STOP his libido, wanting high estrogen and not being interested in girls, except for female goats. Yeah he is a freak.

Listen to the other above advice.

[numbere]

Yeah let's not take my thread over please.

Back to original question..

I have no SERM on had. Just AI.
Should I bump my ai to .50mg eod until I get some ralox and begin taking that WITH my AI?

What are your stats?

What is your body fat percentage?

[hallacam]

23yo
6ft 183
About 8%

[numbere]

Yeah let's not take my thread over please.

Back to original question..

I have no SERM on hand. Just AI.
Should I bump my ai to .50mg eod until I get some ralox and begin taking that WITH my AI?

You had an issue with a cycle 2 years ago in which you didn't have all of the products needed to cycle. You obviously didn't learn your lesson. If you were properly prepared before your cycle began then you would have nolva.

Like i said in my previous post you should see a doctor to be properly diagnosed or at least have blood work ASAP. I think you should up your AI and begin SERM treatment.

I'm a very health conscious person and wouldn't cycle with a health issue. If I were in your position, being in week 3 of a cycle with preexisting gyno, I would cycle off and take nolva until until my gyno subsided.

[hallacam]

I've seen 2 docs, 1 while in the military, 1 at the VA.

All my blood work came back completely normal, but he wouldn't check my Estrogen. I told him about the soreness and he, like the other doc, seemed to think it was just cause my test/estrogen levels were off due to OTC SUPPS.

So I'll have to go to another doc to have my estrogen checked I guess

[hallacam]

Any other opinions? Regarding starting ralox?

[jolter604]

You're the second person I've heard mention this. The first 2 weeks of my current cycle I just ran test and a little adex. My libido was insane. When I introduced HCG at the 3 week mark, my libido went down noticeably. I run 250 IU's twice/week. Maybe in my future cycles I will run it at 250 once/week. No gyno issues or water retention problems whatsoever, but diet is clean so

I always use a Ai at least two weeks before cycle, but thirty minutes after I inject hcg I get sweet painful erections. I have heard of people getting sore nipples when using hcg bit only when they do not have there e2 dialed in.

[jolter604]

Yeah let's not take my thread over please.

Back to original question..

I have no SERM on hand. Just AI.
Should I bump my ai to .50mg eod until I get some ralox and begin taking that WITH my AI?

I would order some liquid raloxifene from AR-r it will help your rats from becoming another Bruce Jenner.

[hallacam]

Ok so continue cycle as normal. Continue taking anastrozole at .50mg eod. Get liquid ralox. Start at 120mg 1st week and 60 from there on out while still continuing normal cycle

Correct?