HCG use as Compared to Clomid/Nolvadex combo!

[Tlolec the toilet]

just as the title says. please start by shooting from the hip. i want to know what you think. i like to get nerdy though and if you don't don't bother reading all of the rest. -15 weeks with Test Cyp and Deca! Proposing not using HCG on a cycle, but ONCE near the start of a PCT. it will be on hand if balls start shrinking.

i just want to say i've never used HCG, but i've heard a one time shot can do wonders to kick start a PCT program. my plan is to do just that. note: i've never had a problem bouncing back after a cycle, keeping my estrogen low throughout and using Clomid/nolvadex has always done the trick. my last cycle was 12 weeks running deca, tren, and t-sust. quit begining of june, PCT was only about 3 weeks. waking up with boners and i had sex 3 times yesterday. i've also noticed that my balls don't shrink on a cycle anymore. that said, I don't want to run HCG during my cycle. having low estrogen and high test keeps my dick hard!

1 week cycle of Test Cyp and Nan Deca

while on cycle i'll use aromasin EOD to ED with some prami on hand for the 19-nor. i don't like taking to much suicide AI, so i might have a little Nolvadex here and there, but not if it's pointless because i've read things that say a little novladex on a cycle is ok and will help one feel better if estrogens becoming a problem, but most of the time i've found aromasin to be effective. i know a lot of guys will wonder why the hell i'm considering nolvadex while on a cycle as it also slightly lowers gains, (but hey I'm on AAS and size really isn't really the ultimate goal. body recomp and muscular development is. (yes that means size, but i've got the time to spare. this isn't a race) I am however favoring development.

Anyway, after the half life of my gear starts tapering down i'm going to begin clomid/novladex dosing, after substantial tapering of the gear. i'm going to use a one time shot of HCG.

-The half-life of Testosterone Cypionate when injected intramuscularly is approximately eight days.

-nan deca half life is dependant on factors i didn't completely research. it's about 6 days, or 21 days for complete removal, but can be in the system for months. i.e. tough shutdown

how long should my Nolvadex/Clomid PCT be? 4 weeks?

Clomid at 100/100/50/50
Nolvdex at 40/40/20/20

did i forget something?

[NACH3]

You sure are complicating a protocol that is proven and already works... But GL

[Tlolec the toilet]

yea, i know

[Mr.BB]

yea, i know

Boners im the morning proves nothing, without bloodwork its just hearsay.

Btw, nolvadex does not reduce estrogen serum and it can lower GH production by 20% or 30%.

[Tlolec the toilet]

yea, i need blood work to be sure i'm back in the 660-700s. docs UP!

[kelkel]

Run low dose HCG during your cycle. It's really ridiculous now a days to not do so. Plenty of studies to show the efficacy of maintaining testicular function with HCG which in turn can help your pct. Having successful pct's in your past without it (HCG) does not indicate they will all continue to be effective. Take advantage of it. One shot is pretty much useless, imho.

PCT is always a crap shoot so do what you can to optimize it.

[Tlolec the toilet]

ok KelKel

i don't have experience to know what a low dose of HCG is, so i'm going to research it. please feel free to tell me what you think a low dose is.

f__king christ, brewing, ancillaries, and PCT is f__king expensive. good thing i'm not getting god damned ripped off or deprived of the precious. god damn, the fricken gouging that goes on now blows my mind. i swear there isn't an honest "the guy" out there. Jiminy Crickets! lulz

[kelkel]

250 IU's x 2 or 3 a week will be fine. Take a look at safe meds for all dot com or buy hcg 123 dot net.

[Tlolec the toilet]

i've read that once it's mixed and used one has to put it in the fridge, so it will keep. even then after it's mixed it goes bad quickly. is that true?

[kelkel]

i've read that once it's mixed and used one has to put it in the fridge, so it will keep. even then after it's mixed it goes bad quickly. is that true?

Once mixed it needs to be refrigerated. But it doesn't "instantly" go bad if you leave it out for a night. It does not go bad quickly either. The internet is full of dogma that is false about HCG. Read Austinites Educational Article on it.

[IncreaseMyT]

Totally agree on the HCG. That rumor drives me nuts! Even if it "goes bad" it just starts to lose potency. Looking at the rate of degradation we are talking about clinically insignificant amounts due to the small amounts of HCG men use for TRT.

[Tlolec the toilet]

ok cool. And how does one typically keep a mixed amount of say 2000IU. vial, right? send in the BAC water pull it out and put it all in a fresh vial?

i have a lot of unmixed HCG, but it expired mar 2015. it's lost potency hasn't it?

[Tlolec the toilet]

lets see if my math is totally FUUked up here

if i put 7ML in a vial that's containing 2000iu of HCG then every .9ML will contain about 250iu of HCG

draw up 7ml, inject 1ml to mix. draw back mixture. inject now mixed 7ml into vial and BAM about 250IU per .9ml

i made every 100IU equivalent to .35ml so that 250IU = .875ml, or .9. And there are 8 250iu dosings in 2000iu.

8 X .875 = 7!

did i hit the nail on the head, or totally massacre it?

[Tlolec the toilet]

i should just toss the lot of it, yea?

[IncreaseMyT]

With a 2 k vial just put 2ml in it. Now the units on the slin pin will line up.

20 units would be 200 IU, 50 units 500 IU etc

[Tlolec the toilet]

but i have a shit load of U-100 slin pins and i don't want to buy other kinds. i don't even like subcutaneous injections at 1CC and i was thinking about halving the amount i have to inject, so it's only .5 CC/ML. i want to do a one and done.

did i get the math right though?

And do you think that old HCG is still ok? it's unmixed and expired a year ago in MAR.

i think i'm confused. ... now it all makes sense...

ok, so 20.5 units will be 250 IU? i got it now. thanks man.

i just realized my U 100 slin pins have 10, 20, 30, 40 etc markings. these marking are "units" fuuuu__.

[Tlolec the toilet]

i assume the only way to know if the HCG is still good is to try it, yes? how long do i have to use it to notice? I'm starting a cycle of Test Cyp only now BTW. i might introduce the Deca later we'll see.

[bobbypump]

i assume the only way to know if the HCG is still good is to try it, yes? how long do i have to use it to notice? I'm starting a cycle of Test Cyp only now BTW. i might introduce the Deca later we'll see.

According to Austinite from HCG thread the dry will last for years.. forever if frozen. I would use it

[Tlolec the toilet]

thanks for the reply bro. cheers. that's excellent! I'm good to go and i didn't even know it. that's not bad, but it would have been better if i knew it. So I'm all set then!

[Couchlock]

thanks for the reply bro. cheers. that's excellent! I'm good to go and i didn't even know it. that's not bad, but it would have been better if i knew it. So I'm all set then!

I'm considering starting a testosterone cypinate cycle I have a few questions I don't know where to put them comma it has to deal with alternatives to stuff such as aromasin and using somatropin instead of HCG

Somebody point me in the right direction where I can post at these questions or directly in this post

I have found a good or what I think is a good source for the following drugs:
Arimidex (anastrozole)
Clomid (clomiphene)
Test cyp

I also need to know if I can use somotropin instead of HCG

also will I need Nolvadex (tamoxifen) aromasin (exemestane)? If using arimidex and Clomid?

I'm not going to go about this unprepared, I will have everything on hand in surplus before anything

Thanks

[Tlolec the toilet]

make a thread with your plan and prepare for comments. getting your supplies is something different. once you have enough posts you can PM people.

i'd stick with HCG. never heard of using Somotropin instead of HCG. use HCG on cycle

you don't need nolvadex on cycle. use it after cycle as PCT. use Aromasin on cycle. use clomid for PCT.

get some N-Acytle Cycsteine (however is spelled) for liver support. try to get blood work. cholesterol, testosterone, and liver function i think. i'm still learning about blood work