Test and Maintainace Calories?

[NACH3]

Yeah, probably a waste, but my body fat went up on 2700 cals or so with 500mg of test for 12 weeks.

I'd say look at your nutrition and training for that matter - at maintenence after cycle you may need to throw in some cardio if trying to stay leaner(your metabolism isn't working as fast or burning its fuel ad fast off cycle - hence the cardio(if your bulking than bulk if cutting cut... Or recomp but you have to be dialed in for that - my diets never changes - just the amount of food I will consume as I'm always bulking atm lol

[Proximal]

I'd say look at your nutrition and training for that matter - at maintenence after cycle you may need to throw in some cardio if trying to stay leaner(your metabolism isn't working as fast or burning its fuel ad fast off cycle - hence the cardio(if your bulking than bulk if cutting cut... Or recomp but you have to be dialed in for that - my diets never changes - just the amount of food I will consume as I'm always bulking atm lol

But Nach, I am trying to understand this and forgive me if I am suffering from being an idiot LOL. I thought the point is, is that you HAVE to put on fat in order to gain muscle. When you read Austenite's thread on the first cycle, the weight comes from fat, water & muscle and that is with I believe 400 - 600 calories over maintenance.

Here's my main question, how much fat do you have to put on? Is there a way of being more efficient? With the original cycle, can't fat gain be limited by diet to the point where muscle gain is not effected in any way?