Staying on exogenous testosterone indefinitely - a lifelong plan?

[cousinmuscles]

That chart lacks important information like the standard deviation, here's the complete chart:


So, considering the standard deviation for you age above 447 ng/dl is considered normal. Then you have to consider environmental factors and even lab deviations.

Not trying to talk you out of TRT, I'm the last person who should be allowed to do so (lol), but just do it for the correct reasons and be aware of the problems and complications that will for sure arise from it. When you plot the data a sample population will be like this:

AS you can see there is a lot of variation, what is low and what is normal is very difficult to distinguish. At the end of the day symptoms should be what physicians evaluate and treat.

Sorry for the small rant, but im kinda tired of those kind of charts, which are posted all over the internet by so called health clinics, which are nothing else than marketing!

If you want to improve your test level make sure you draw blood for the test first thing in the morning, and supplement minimum 5000ui of vit D3 daily.

If you want to go TRT do it properly with a doctor guidance.

And yes, you should be able to get TRT just because you want it, women do it since the 60's...

Thank you for your response.

I know that I am still in the normal range. Though this "normal" range is very wide though. I am almost two standard deviations below the norm (that puts me in what, the bottom 2%?). And that is the average level of a 85-100 year old male. My reasons for doing it is not the same as a physicians reason for prescribing someone TRT. I want high levels, not below average, not even average. I want to maximize what I can get from my body while minimizing the side effects.

I did get my bloods in the morning, in a fasted state. Didn't supplement with D3 though I hardly think it would increase my 375 to 1000-1200, where I want it.

About getting a prescription, I won't manage to get it in this country. My friend who has done a ton of cycles and had 10 on the test (thats approx 288 ng/dL) lied about symptoms and said he couldnt get erections, couldnt sleep, had no energy to even get a job et.c. Since he just turned 30 the doc told him it is too early, but he could get viagra if he wished. I think I'd be better off doing some time on and then get bloods post PCT to make more of a case, like below 200.

[Mr.BB]

About getting a prescription, I won't manage to get it in this country. My friend who has done a ton of cycles and had 10 on the test (thats approx 288 ng/dL) lied about symptoms and said he couldnt get erections, couldnt sleep, had no energy to even get a job et.c. Since he just turned 30 the doc told him it is too early, but he could get viagra if he wished. I think I'd be better off doing some time on and then get bloods post PCT to make more of a case, like below 200.

Hypogonadism is a treated in every country of the world. You need the right doctor (andrologist) and of course you cannot tell the doctor what you posted, he needs to see it as a serious condition.

If you're in europe 98% chance you would be prescribed nebido.

Good luck!

[cousinmuscles]

Hypogonadism is a treated in every country of the world. You need the right doctor (andrologist) and of course you cannot tell the doctor what you posted, he needs to see it as a serious condition.

If you're in europe 98% chance you would be prescribed nebido.

Good luck!

Thanks!

Right now I have started a full on cycle of 250mg test cyp E3D. Hopefully if my bloods show lower levels after PCT I will make the effort to find the right andrologist because I would much rather get pharma grade stuff, and of course have a doctor looking at my health. Yes I am in Europe. Nebido or enanthate I don't care, as long as my bloods show high results.