Failure every set & long rest VS 2-3 reps short of failure & short rest for Mass

[F4iGuy]

Thoughts?

I've always trained to good failure (not pushing out a final sloppy rep) on every set. Compound movements I usually rest 3-4 minutes and isolation 2 minutes.

Has anyone compared this type of training to stopping short 2-3 reps on every set with shorter rest times?

What produces the biggest muscles?

[F4iGuy]

https://www.t-nation.com/training/si...uilding-method

It seems failure is the best option!

[Obs]

Bigger mucles come from how hard you work them not how long. Look up Dorian Yates blood and guts. HIT seems to be the thing now but no one workout fits all. HIT works with one minute or less rest between sets. Just my bicep days leave me soaked in sweat panting my ass off and it only takes 30-40 min. I never tried that low of reps but i go to failure every set and i know that is key for size. Always fail. The ends of my workout leave me absolutely dead. Look up the videos and listen to what Dorian says and it makes a lot more sense.

[Jonbana]

Change it up , and see what works for you , I'm guilty of this always researching and see whats better but remember many pros use different splits , and routines and volume and some say failure low volume some say high volume they all work in there own ways

long as you lift stick with it this will have very little change I think in body comp just go everyday lift heavy and eat

[F4iGuy]

I've had success training in the 15-20 rep range for a lot of isolation movements over the past year. The article I posted confirms that hitting failure is the key variable, not necessarily the number of reps you use to do it. I feel like I'm half assing it when I don't go all out on every set.

[hellomycognomen]

I've had success training in the 15-20 rep range for a lot of isolation movements over the past year. The article I posted confirms that hitting failure is the key variable, not necessarily the number of reps you use to do it. I feel like I'm half assing it when I don't go all out on every set.

Exactly mate. Your muscles don't care about reps or weight, all they know is they are being stressed. I always go to failure on my last set without exception. Since failure is very taxing, program design and exercise order is very important to maximize gym time.

I stop myself short but only on the warm up and moderate sets, before I hit the important final set to failure.

[kelkel]

Compound movements I usually rest 3-4 minutes and isolation 2 minutes.

Way too much rest imho. A good rule of thumb is that you're ready for your next set when your heart rate returns to normal. There's really only two ways to increase intensity, increase weight or shorten rest periods. Each one comes with a fine line between success and failure.

[Metalmank]

Way too much rest imho. A good rule of thumb is that you're ready for your next set when your heart rate returns to normal. There's really only two ways to increase intensity, increase weight or shorten rest periods. Each one comes with a fine line between success and failure.

Hm. I mite have to start doing this. I usualy take 3-4 minutes rest between my heavy compounds.. Took me awhile to actually wait that long because I would normally want to jump in after a minute of rest. Maybe I'll drop to 2-2 1/2 and see how that works.


I had literally like 30 seconds of rest inbetween my bench session on monday because I was lifting with a random dude at the gym (Gym was packed) and this bear of a huge man repping 4 plates to my measly two plates ( sad face) but needelss to say the PUMP was amazing and my chest was like wtf bro? Lol. ALthough my last set I was only able to rep 2 out of the 5 reps. I felt great.

[kelkel]

Stop looking at the clock Metalmank. You'll know when you're ready, you don't need to time things. Get in and get out of the gym. You grow at home eating and resting.

Unless I was powerlifting I'd be absolutely bored beyond belief resting 3-4 minutes

[Nephets]

Hm. I mite have to start doing this. I usualy take 3-4 minutes rest between my heavy compounds.. Took me awhile to actually wait that long because I would normally want to jump in after a minute of rest. Maybe I'll drop to 2-2 1/2 and see how that works.


I had literally like 30 seconds of rest inbetween my bench session on monday because I was lifting with a random dude at the gym (Gym was packed) and this bear of a huge man repping 4 plates to my measly two plates ( sad face) but needelss to say the PUMP was amazing and my chest was like wtf bro? Lol. ALthough my last set I was only able to rep 2 out of the 5 reps. I felt great.

like kelkel said....I just go when I'm ready. to be honest I usually rack the weight, walk to the fountain, get a quick drink and im ready to go again. I would say that averages a minute or so. maybe less. I don't time it.