TRT and Crazy Bulk

[Unc15smh]

I'm a new poster but have read a lot on here. I just started 200mg test cyp every two weeks. Also taking an estrogen blocker and clomephine. I purchased a few stacks from crazy bulk before I knew I was starting TRT. Does anyone know if the crazy bulk stuff works and if I should take any of it?

[kelkel]

Hi Unc.

First, welcome to the forum. Is this doctor prescribed TRT? If so, your doc doesn't understand hormones or their half-lives. Test has a half life of about 5-7 days and should be dosed weekly at a minimum. Even that may not be enough when based on blood work. You'd be much better at 100 mgs per week if you are self injecting.

What estrogen blocker and what dose?
Was your E2 elevated prior to TRT?
Clomiphene will do nothing for you while on exogenous testosterone. What's your doc's alleged purpose?
When is your next blood work scheduled?
Are you prescribed HCG?

Crazy bulk stuff is nothing more than supplements. They're not legal steroids.

[Unc15smh]

Anastrozole is the e blocker. We didn't do numbers on that yet because I had been on clomephine for years with no good results. This is a new doctor doing the injections. He said the anastrozole helps lengthen the effects of the shot if taken weekly. I am doing 1 mg per week.

[Mr.BB]

Anastrozole is the e blocker. We didn't do numbers on that yet because I had been on clomephine for years with no good results. This is a new doctor doing the injections. He said the anastrozole helps lengthen the effects of the shot if taken weekly. I am doing 1 mg per week.

Thats not true.

Minimum effective protocol is once per week.

You can also stop the clomiphene, while on exogenous testosterone it has no effect.

[Unc15smh]

Thanks. Should I take the crazy bulk stuff that I bought or will it do nothing?

Also, do you know if.the test helps with tendon healing? I had surgery yesterday.

Thanks again!

[Mr.BB]

No idea what is crazy bulk stuff, doesnt sound good.

No, it doesnt help healing. You need GH for that.

[bullshark99]

Throw the crazy bulk shit in the garbage, that's where it belongs.

[macmathews]

Thats not true.

Minimum effective protocol is once per week.

You can also stop the clomiphene, while on exogenous testosterone it has no effect.

While some data may state or agree that clomiphene does nothing while on T.
this from personal experience is not true.
I can guarantee that my BOYS will go from smaller and softer too large and hard while taking a very small does of Clomid and still injecting Test E.

[Couchlock]

Anastrozole is the e blocker. We didn't do numbers on that yet because I had been on clomephine for years with no good results. This is a new doctor doing the injections. He said the anastrozole helps lengthen the effects of the shot if taken weekly. I am doing 1 mg per week.

Pardon my bluntness, but your doctor don't know jack sheeit.

I had a doc trying to give me once a month shots of 200mg cyp.

Very out of protocol.

Lets make you experience even worse symptoms of low t and no benefit of exogenous,

Most docs, even endo's don't know the game well Enough to be doing it

[Unc15smh]

I spoke to my doctor and he said to give it 3 to 4 rounds at 200mg test cyp every other week. If I don't see consistent improvement, then he will bump amount or split in two. He said he is starting slow since I've never done before. My total test number was 812 , but I was on the clomephine for years. The issue being that energy levels and sex drive gone. Also, muscle gain has been no existing despite 4-5 years or constant lifting and good diet. I do have an under active thyroid though which is also medicated.

[Couchlock]

I spoke to my doctor and he said to give it 3 to 4 rounds at 200mg test cyp every other week. If I don't see consistent improvement, then he will bump amount or split in two. He said he is starting slow since I've never done before. My total test number was 812 , but I was on the clomephine for years. The issue being that energy levels and sex drive gone. Also, muscle gain has been no existing despite 4-5 years or constant lifting and good diet. I do have an under active thyroid though which is also medicated.

Well that's like a brain surgeon only opening up the brain, poking your frontal lobe a little and sewing you up. Then saying next week we'll try again when I'm more comfortable with brain surgery.

The only person suffering from his lack of experience and knowledge is you, your going along for the ride.

What he did was read the drug information pamphlet for test cyp. Which says 1 month to every 2 weeks.

There is no seeing what's going to happen. Its guaranteed you'll peak after 24-48 hours and slowly decline to less than 150ng/ dl by the 10th day or so and have 4 days flat.

But you'll be experiencing low t after the 7th day or so and riding it out till the 14th day.

This is going to cause more harm than good.

What you need to do is contact a man named "Kel kel" here, and ask him for links on trt protocol so you and your doctor can review them as case study and see how the rest of the world does it.

Also at another forum, is dr.Michael scully, you should be able to Google his name and see his protocol surrounding trt

[LeeSin1]

I had an endo that had been doing it for years but appeared like he had never done it based off of protocol he was doing. I think he just wanted me to keep coming back. I eventually got it to once a week, which is better!

[Quester]

I'm prescribed test-c 200mcg e6d. I take 100mcg e3d. This makes blood levels more consistent.

[Obs]

I'm a new poster but have read a lot on here. I just started 200mg test cyp every two weeks. Also taking an estrogen blocker and clomephine. I purchased a few stacks from crazy bulk before I knew I was starting TRT. Does anyone know if the crazy bulk stuff works and if I should take any of it?

The doctor seems to be clueless about half lives it should be an every week dose. Your hormone levels are going for a rollercoaster ride at two weeks.

Also... Clomiphene is considered experimental for men by most doctors and they know very little about it in males. Very unusual doctor... what was his reasoning for clomid? 99.9% of doctors use it solely as a female fertility drug.

Just absurd in general. You need a better doc.

[Unc15smh]

My endo doc is the one who prescribed the clomephine. It did work for increasing test, but I think it also raised estrogen. The new doc is a men's health guy I found on the Internet. I signed up for a full year program with him. I am not aware of many docs who do this stuff in Richmond Virginia, or at least I don't know how to find them.

[Obs]

My endo doc is the one who prescribed the clomephine. It did work for increasing test, but I think it also raised estrogen. The new doc is a men's health guy I found on the Internet. I signed up for a full year program with him. I am not aware of many docs who do this stuff in Richmond Virginia, or at least I don't know how to find them.

It did not raise estrogen it is a SERM. It did block estrogen though.

[kelkel]

Couple things:

Unc, here's a chart to give you a visual of the half life of testosterone. Basically shows that an every two week protocol puts you on a hormonal roller coaster ride:




When it comes to Clomid for TRT, it's not really that uncommone. Especially for those who desire to maintain fertility. That said, I know no one who lasted to long on it. The long term benefits just don't seem to be there.

Re clomid and estrogen, it can raise estrogen levels in some men. Think about it, if your test rises so does your estrogen. Clomid works by blocking the estrogen receptor in your hypothalamus causing it to ramp up GnRH production which signals your pituitary to ramp up production which goes downstream to your testicals for the end result, more testosterone. Clomid is both an estrogen antagonist in your brain and an agonist in your liver.

[Obs]

Couple things:

Unc, here's a chart to give you a visual of the half life of testosterone. Basically shows that an every two week protocol puts you on a hormonal roller coaster ride:




When it comes to Clomid for TRT, it's not really that uncommone. Especially for those who desire to maintain fertility. That said, I know no one who lasted to long on it. The long term benefits just don't seem to be there.

Re clomid and estrogen, it can raise estrogen levels in some men. Think about it, if your test rises so does your estrogen. Clomid works by blocking the estrogen receptor in your hypothalamus causing it to ramp up GnRH production which signals your pituitary to ramp up production which goes downstream to your testicals for the end result, more testosterone. Clomid is both an estrogen antagonist in your brain and an agonist in your liver.

Kel, i know you are the trt god but how can a selective estrogen receptor modulator raise estrogen? Even if it did raise test levels it wouldn't matter because the receptor is already full of the modulator....

[Obs]

Couple things:

Unc, here's a chart to give you a visual of the half life of testosterone. Basically shows that an every two week protocol puts you on a hormonal roller coaster ride:




When it comes to Clomid for TRT, it's not really that uncommone. Especially for those who desire to maintain fertility. That said, I know no one who lasted to long on it. The long term benefits just don't seem to be there.

Re clomid and estrogen, it can raise estrogen levels in some men. Think about it, if your test rises so does your estrogen. Clomid works by blocking the estrogen receptor in your hypothalamus causing it to ramp up GnRH production which signals your pituitary to ramp up production which goes downstream to your testicals for the end result, more testosterone. Clomid is both an estrogen antagonist in your brain and an agonist in your liver.

Look at the graph and turn another backwards and put the skinny ends together... thats your test levels.

[kelkel]

Kel, i know you are the trt god but how can a selective estrogen receptor modulator raise estrogen? Even if it did raise test levels it wouldn't matter because the receptor is already full of the modulator....

Some are more sensitive than others. Remember, elevated test = elevated estrogen, even it it's stimulated via clomid and not exogenous test. T will always turn to E, to what extent depends on many variables. One of the top doc's re clomid recommends low dose adex when taking it.

Think downstream a bit more. The ER (estrogen receptor) is only blocked in the hypothalamus which is how clomid starts the process of T production. The further turnover of T to E downstream is in no way interrupted.

[Obs]

Some are more sensitive than others. Remember, elevated test = elevated estrogen, even it it's stimulated via clomid and not exogenous test. T will always turn to E, to what extent depends on many variables. One of the top doc's re clomid recommends low dose adex when taking it.

Think downstream a bit more. The ER (estrogen receptor) is only blocked in the hypothalamus which is how clomid starts the process of T production. The further turnover of T to E downstream is in no way interrupted.

Gosh dang brother i dont understand. I want to but if every receptor for estrogen is alredy containing a replacement product... how can it increse. I read your post many times I am not being disrespectful. I just dont understand.

[Unc15smh]

Some are more sensitive than others. Remember, elevated test = elevated estrogen, even it it's stimulated via clomid and not exogenous test. T will always turn to E, to what extent depends on many variables. One of the top doc's re clomid recommends low dose adex when taking it.

Think downstream a bit more. The ER (estrogen receptor) is only blocked in the hypothalamus which is how clomid starts the process of T production. The further turnover of T to E downstream is in no way interrupted.

So would there be any benefit to continuing the clomephine while doing the TRT? I'm on anastrozole now at 1 mg per week.

[Couchlock]

Gosh dang brother i dont understand. I want to but if every receptor for estrogen is alredy containing a replacement product... how can it increse. I read your post many times I am not being disrespectful. I just dont understand.

It doesn't start as estrogen in brain, all estrogen type mechanisms in the pituitary are blocked, its when it goes to testicles were test is made it eventually converts.

It can go to mammary tissue from there or were ever receptors are just not in pituitary?

[Obs]

It doesn't start as estrogen in brain, all estrogen type mechanisms in the pituitary are blocked, its when it goes to testicles were test is made it eventually converts.

It can go to mammary tissue from there or were ever receptors are just not in pituitary?

Receptors are all over. Not what i was saying though. When recptors are full of serm estrogen in the body would be irrelevant....

[Couchlock]

Receptors are all over. Not what i was saying though. When recptors are full of serm estrogen in the body would be irrelevant....

Ah, I see competitive occupation of receptors

[Obs]

Ah, I see competitive occupation of receptors

Oh.... never considered that. Assumed they couldnt compete.

[kelkel]

Gosh dang brother i dont understand. I want to but if every receptor for estrogen is alredy containing a replacement product... how can it increse. I read your post many times I am not being disrespectful. I just dont understand.

Keep it simple. Clomid is an estrogen antagonist in the hypothalamus only. Thus your brain thinks there's no estrogen left and ramps up GnRH, thus LH & FSH then testosterone. With T comes more E. Clomid does not prevent a rise in estrogen. No Serm does.

So would there be any benefit to continuing the clomephine while doing the TRT? I'm on anastrozole now at 1 mg per week.

Zero benefit. Once on exogenous testosterone clomids effect in the brain is nil. That's a lot of adex for TRT. Make sure you pull BW to make dose titrations properly. Use a Sensitive E2 Assay, not standard estradiol if possible.