Newbie Expectations

[canadian77]

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Start here. But pretty much yes do a 500mg EW of Test for 16 weeks. Since you're an older guy who is looking to blast cruise, might as well stay on longer. You'll probably easily put on 20lbs of LBM.

I've seen a couple studies where they put old guys on 600mg of Test EW for 20 weeks, told them to eat at maintenance with only 70 grams of protein per day and zero exercise. The average gain was 16lbs of lean body mass. So assuming you do things correctly, you'll kill it my friend!

[AR's King Silabolin]

I have a good, efficient and relatively safe solution for you, specially when on trt.

Do this 12 weeks cycle. 10 mg LGD, mk677 12,5 mg twice a day. And Rad140 20-30 mg each day.

The gains will be steroidlike, i promise, hardly any sides execept from significantly lowered HDL cholestrol. So u migth wanna spend some bucks on cholestrolsupps. And a cholestrolfriendly lifestyle is mandatory.

10-15 pounds of clean musclegains should happen for u.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I have a good, efficient and relatively safe solution for you, specially when on trt.

Do this 12 weeks cycle. 10 mg LGD, mk677 12,5 mg twice a day. And Rad140 20-30 mg each day.

The gains will be steroidlike, i promise, hardly any sides execept from significantly lowered HDL cholestrol. So u migth wanna spend some bucks on cholestrolsupps. And a cholestrolfriendly lifestyle is mandatory.

10-15 pounds of clean musclegains should happen for u.

I disagree.
I think he should blast at 500mg of test per week with an AI and hCG year round.

[Jetlag707]

Canadian77 Read it. More than a couple of times now and will reread at least a couple more I'm sure. Thanks I was looking for something a bit different.

Silibolan Thanks for the tips. I'm familiar with SARMS and those specifically. I'm not looking into a SARM cycle. The costs involved make me lean the other direction especially since I'm already pinning.

The Deadlifting Dog. Thanks. I just started this process so I don't really see starting a blast until a couple of more months into it. I wasn't thinking that water is lean mass but it's not fat. If you're suppose to stay hydrated drink lots of water anyway, how much 'retention' is a lot? Water weighs about 7# per gallon. Is it just as simple as getting your BF checked, follow skeletal muscle mass and water- intracellular and extracellular just fluctuates? I've had it drop 2# overnight and as much as 4# doing cardio somedays.

Your suggestion of an AI and hCG year round. Why? Is the AI just as needed or would it become a regular with my morning coffee routine? And hCG. I've read and heard lots of stuff about it. Seems all over the map. Being an old guy kids are no longer on my radar screen. Is the hCG for more than keeping the boys looking their best like fat loss or what should I be looking out for?

Thanks. Great forum you guys have here btw.

[PT1982]

I have a good, efficient and relatively safe solution for you, specially when on trt.

Do this 12 weeks cycle. 10 mg LGD, mk677 12,5 mg twice a day. And Rad140 20-30 mg each day.

The gains will be steroidlike, i promise, hardly any sides execept from significantly lowered HDL cholestrol. So u migth wanna spend some bucks on cholestrolsupps. And a cholestrolfriendly lifestyle is mandatory.

10-15 pounds of clean musclegains should happen for u.

I'm not picking on Sil because I disagree with 99% of his advice, but of any member here to not take advice from, he's the one.
Do not, under any circumstance, take peptides, sarms, serms, etc for a first time blast. Your first cycle is generally going to be your best one, in terms of physical change, so do what is known to work and has plenty of data and research. More people can help and assist you when you use normal gear for cycling. I'm not saying you won't benefit from using those compounds, but stick to what is known. You can always tinker with that stuff down the road if you want to. Just be sure to research them to see if you even want to try them.

For your first blast, I would advise you to stick to test only, maybe some anavar with your trt dose of test. But don't try to get fancy and go straight for the "exotics" right off the bat. Make sure you have all of your ancillaries on hand before you start, as well as hcg. Keep reading threads as you currently are doing, and keep asking questions. You can never be too safe in this. Keep conservative in your approach and you should be fine. Also, keep your expectations realistic. At 51 years old, don't try to shoot for the moon and overdo it. Pace yourself and keep your health top priority. Your results will be based off of your diet and training regimen. Stay on top of your bloodwork and your prostate. On that note, consider getting on cialis as well. A low daily dose or a moderate every other day or 3rd day will be fine. I prefer every day dosing. 2.5-10mgs daily would be more than enough. Too much and you might have to carry duct tape around with you. Try 2.5-5mgs daily and go from there.

[Jetlag707]

PT1982 Thanks for the clear and solid advice. I appreciate it. I have a couple of questions. You and Deadliftingdog both recommend hcg. Why? Other than combating shrinkage, I've got 3 kids already and not planning any more. Is this something that will come up with TRT too or just cycles?

The other question is why the cialis?

Thanks

[MToption2]

PT1982 Thanks for the clear and solid advice. I appreciate it. I have a couple of questions. You and Deadliftingdog both recommend hcg. Why? Other than combating shrinkage, I've got 3 kids already and not planning any more. Is this something that will come up with TRT too or just cycles?

The other question is why the cialis?

Thanks

Hcg serves many many other functions. Testosterone isn't the only hormone the testes are responsible for. It's good to take for both trt and cycles. Your gonads are shutdown either way.

Lolol the cialis is totally optional imo. Icing on top?

[MToption2]

PT1982 Thanks for the clear and solid advice. I appreciate it. I have a couple of questions. You and Deadliftingdog both recommend hcg. Why? Other than combating shrinkage, I've got 3 kids already and not planning any more. Is this something that will come up with TRT too or just cycles?

The other question is why the cialis?

Thanks

Hcg serves many many other functions. Testosterone isn't the only hormone the testes are responsible for. It's good to take for both trt and cycles. Your gonads are shutdown either way.

Lolol the cialis is totally optional imo. Icing on top?

[Jetlag707]

Yeah. Got it. And there's a whole active thread now on cialis lol

[PT1982]

PT1982 Thanks for the clear and solid advice. I appreciate it. I have a couple of questions. You and Deadliftingdog both recommend hcg. Why? Other than combating shrinkage, I've got 3 kids already and not planning any more. Is this something that will come up with TRT too or just cycles?

The other question is why the cialis?

Thanks

It's all about keeping your body normal. You are adding large doses of hormones to your body, which is going to start making other systems go into overdrive, or shutdown. So you want to normalize everything the best you can. Just like when using an AI. Hcg has more benefits other than shrinkage. To keep from getting long winded, read the sticky on it. Cialis is good for prostate health, sex related issues you might get while on blast, blood pressure (as it is a vasodialator).

[Jetlag707]

It's all about keeping your body normal. You are adding large doses of hormones to your body, which is going to start making other systems go into overdrive, or shutdown. So you want to normalize everything the best you can. Just like when using an AI. Hcg has more benefits other than shrinkage. To keep from getting long winded, read the sticky on it. Cialis is good for prostate health, sex related issues you might get while on blast, blood pressure (as it is a vasodialator).

Again with the sticky! jk

Thanks

[The Deadlifting Dog]

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Start here. But pretty much yes do a 500mg EW of Test for 16 weeks. Since you're an older guy who is looking to blast cruise, might as well stay on longer. You'll probably easily put on 20lbs of LBM.

I've seen a couple studies where they put old guys on 600mg of Test EW for 20 weeks, told them to eat at maintenance with only 70 grams of protein per day and zero exercise. The average gain was 16lbs of lean body mass. So assuming you do things correctly, you'll kill it my friend!

Please note that water weight is considered lean body mass.
It is impossible by the laws of physics to put on 16lbs of muscle if you are eating at maintainence.

[canadian77]

Please note that water weight is considered lean body mass.
It is impossible by the laws of physics to put on 16lbs of muscle if you are eating at maintainence.

Muscle is only about 20% protein my friend, and the rest is mostly water and glycogen.

Plus anyone who says you can't gain muscle in a caloric deficit hasn't tried Tren.